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Self serving? The Giver? Why the very idea! The Giver is affronted Sir! P.S. Thank you for capitalizing the S in "Shrub" as it shows you are slowly, but surely, moving in the right direction. :D

Apology accepted Vlad. :D

Thank you Cliptin for pointing that out. Vlad and James apparently haven't figured that out yet.

How true Cliptin. It is interesting to go back through the thread and see just who the reactionary and belligerent participants were. Be wary of these one's for they are just the sort Mr. Orwell refers to above. Please don't let the sorry reaction you received by some here to your having said...

Nonsense Tannin on all accounts. Our motto here at SF is "show respect at all times." Further The Giver takes exception to your characterization of his remarks to James as being an "attack". How silly and boring of you to have done so. They were nothing of the sort. Where has The Giver ever been...

It is simply based on The Giver's perception of American public opinion. For an opinion to be "extremist" in nature does not mean it is contrary to others who hold a similar point of view. "Extremist" refers to the degree with which one's opinion is held in comparison to others who are of the...

Not at all James, The Giver's argument is that you should follow the forum rules which require all to treat their fellow members with respect. Why does The Giver find himself having to remind our chairman of this? :roll: Go right ahead but do please bear in mind that entire thread was authored...

Well again Jake none of what is covered in those polls addressed those views of Woody's which The Giver descibed as extremist. Thank you for remaining respectful and civil throughout the discussion.

Yes well the SF rules require that you and the others treat all of your fellow members with resepct aside from whether or not you truly respect them as individuals. One would think The Giver should not have to remind the chairman of the admins of the forum rules. :roll:

It is good to know that you are a "respect the person" sort of man. How about your fellow members here at SF? Do you respect them enough to refrain from using derogatory language which they find offensive? Or shall you simply dismiss them as being ridiculous as others have?

But Tannin... Clipton is also offended by the use of derogatory terms to describe President Bush. Where is the double standard as regards him? Who here has ever asked The Giver not use the term "Bubba" to describe former President Clinton because they found it offensive? Please speak up if you...

What statements of The Giver are you specifically referring to above when you say "affect an absurd hyper-sensitivity"? Clipton brought the subject of your use of term shrub into the discussion, not The Giver. The Giver was primarily offended by Mr. Walker's comments regarding President Bush...

The Giver was not referring to your Dad when he wrote the above to Jake. He was referring to Tannin. FWIW, G.W. Bush is neither here at SF to defend himself. Nor was he present to defend himself when your Dad made his remarks assuming he did so in some public setting. Again, it's not a big deal...

The passage which you quote above is a response to the following question from you posted earlier; The Giver was merely asking which polls you were referring to when you asked The Giver if he had seen the polls you mention above. As for your challenge to present polling information regarding...

No it was suggested that you were being discourteous to those here who found your use of "shrub" to be offensive. Yet you seemingly do not care and instead find those who are offended to be at fault rather than you yourself. Not a big deal but a bit disappointing none the less.

Here is what The Giver actually said - "It is a matter of being courteous one imagines in the final analysis." The Giver did so knowing full well it would be dismissed out of hand by those to whom he addressed it. Yet both this and reply it garnered from brother Tannin will no doubt become very...

Tannin, Regarding your points posted above in order; #1 - This is very much an extremist view here in the U.S. which is the context in which The Giver was speaking. #2 - The small portion of the original passage The Giver quoted is all that you have re-posted here. The key sentence is the...

Jake and Tannin, Please do not confuse the general anti-war, anti-US sentiments expressed in the article as being that which The Giver describes as being extreme. Indeed please take note of the fact that The Giver specifically said that both those who are pro-war, and those who are anti-war...

Well keep in mind that The Giver was comparing Woody's views with that of American public opinion when he described Harellson's views as being "extreme". An overwhelming portion of the U.S. public, both those pro and con regarding the Administration's policy regarding Iraq, would also...

Yes it very well might be but only because of the author's notoriety. And it is most likely Woody's notoriety, and not his lofty stature in the world of international relations, which explains the fact that The Guardian published it. The views expressed are so extreme that they would most...

Jake, Well The Giver's opinion is that it is narrow minded and very biased assessment of the U.S. / Iraq situation. Woody is not only ill-informed but, sadly, one suspects also a bit brain damaged from all the drug abuse.

Jake, Actually The Giver owes you an apology. He had not read the article you link to thinking it to be what was actually an advertisement which Sean Penn paid to have run in the Washington Post recently. The Giver will read Woody's article and post back with his opinion later but for now he...

Clearly it was not used as a term of endearment or for the sake of expedience. As yet there has been no denial that it was in fact used in a negative context by those who did so. Having said that, it is apparent to this member that there is a cultural / communication gap between the Australian...

The use of "Shrub" is seen as diminutive; Main Entry: 2diminutive Function: adjective Date: 14th century 1 : indicating small size and sometimes the state or quality of being familiarly known, lovable, pitiable, or contemptible -- used of affixes (as -ette, -kin, -ling) and of words formed with...

James, The Giver has addressed the substance of your father's comments which he found insightful and well said for the most part. Certainly your father is entitled to his opinion as regards the personal attributes of President Bush. However please keep in mind that just as you, Tannin, and your...

How could one possibly select a more appropriate avatar than that which you already have Tea? The Giver's avatar space is for sale however if you are interested.

Well considering your political leanings it's not surprising that you see nothing good in the man. There really is no better example of the man's leadership skills than to read what James' father credits him for above. As for character, the man is decisive, determined, and resolute in seeing...

Aside from the snotty personal remarks regarding President Bush, The Giver is in agreement with your Dad's assesment of the situation regarding Iraq thus far. However, rather than being a competent cynical manipulator, The Giver would suggest that Mr. Bush has character, leadership skills and...

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P.S. What's the going rate for "Cultural Imperialism" reparations? :o

Hmm.. so then you categorically dismiss the concept of "collective" guilt as being valid? This what the above rational rests on, not on war reparations per se. This is why The Giver went out of his way to say the following; The war reparations were introduced to explain the "collective guilt"...

BTW - Anyone who thinks the above case for reparations is rediculous, take a look at this - http://www.al-bab.com/arab/countries/iraq/iraq000616.htm And ask yourself if the people of Iraq should pay these reparations for the actions of just one man - Saddam Hussein

Note: The following is a presentation of Flagreen Entertainment and does not necessarily represent the views of it's management. And now from the "You asked for it" department... Greeting my friends from the great White world! As you know The Giver is uniquely qualified to discuss this subject...

Congratulations to Ape and Man alike. A Banana and a Stubby are in order, so step up to the bar and have a bunch and a bottle or two on The Giver.

Hmm.. well it must be the community as The Giver got the best if you on more than one occasion and surely the all knowing Helldiver could not be bested by someone who is "pitiful" now could he? Well now there is the arrogant social misfit we all know as Helldiver plying his trade as only he...

Lol, so thick you can taste it huh? :)

A prayer. It helps The Giver not to swallow what some might consider "troll bait". :)

Lord... grant thy mighty Giver patience and tolerance that he might not smite the liberal infidel. Send flocks of your Christians to his door to save him from himself and so that at long last he might see the light and reform his ways. Let them descend upon his door in twos, and threes, and...

The Giver demands that "Drunken Bastard" post his picture. He assures DB that it will not be passed on to the authorities. A mug shot will be just fine.

Great! So articles written in the third person are fine huh? Super!

CougTek - The Giver does not believe Mark is African-American and so he cannot be a cousin of The Giver. Though the resemblance is striking.

Stereodude - Explain yourself man. The Giver sees but one of you in the photo.

True enough, you earned it.

It's not the weight problem, or the bananas, that The Giver minds so much. It's the lack of house training. :eekers:

And furthermore, The Giver would rather tell them anyway.

Oh they grant the right to speak well enough. You must of misunderstood the reasoning put forth by flagreen.

Sorry to hear that. Would some of The Giver's poetry help? BTW - Congratulations on the 1000. Seems to The Giver that should rate more than "wannabe storage freak".

Who is Bill?

What? You know not The Giver? Where have you been my good man?