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The 4770 Ti is like $800-1000 and humongous. Bummer. :(
Everyone knows it's just the "4080 12GB" from a few months back rebranded. They couldn't call it a 4070 or they'd be admitting they screwed up, so they call it a 4070Ti and jack that performance level's price point up to where they still make nearly as much money. Imagine a mid-high end card... with a 192-bit bus. Eurgh. It makes my skin crawl.

In all seriousness though, I think LTT hit the nail on the head when he said nVidia probably just looked at 3090Ti pricing on eBay, said "meh good enough" and set the price there since the card is by and large a 3090Ti killer. Around the same price, cheaper to operate (lower power) and newer, it's a nice little racket they've got going. I'm just pissed it's so expensive, it wasn't so long ago this class of performance was only around $550 or so. Even that feels ridiculous. Maybe I'm just not meant to be building high-end systems.
 

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The 4070Ti is just too large to fit in the case with everything else. I need a card with about 2.5 slots wide and less than 12' long. 285W power drain is the problem. Realistically the next card down in power would make more sense, probably a 4070. I don't know if the performance is much of an upgrade from the 3060Ti. :(
What is LTT, Chewy or sombody I'm missing?
 
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He's talking about Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips, a PC Gaming focused Youtube channel that seems to perpetually have infinite money and a staff that includes full on machinists and engineers and workshops dedicated to their craft. ddrueding was a big fan as well.

I have watched his videos about getting the setup right for the dozen video editors he has working for him and on building massive storage servers, although I think his big system these days is something like 2PB and entirely made of SSDs.

I'm making a pilgrimage to Microcenter to pick up an A580 this weekend. Hopefully I will know very soon if it's the answer. I'll be giving up my RTX2080, but the other people who live with me are absolutely thrilled about getting an upgrade* to the 6550XT on my second desktop.

* I'm actually surprised that it's not MUCH of an upgrade; that was an $800 card when I got it and the 6550XT was $300 this summer. Gaming-wise, it's basically just the question of playing at 1440p instead of 1080p, but the RTX also has better support for GPU computing tasks like Nadia's Adobe software.
 

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Goddammitsomuch.

nVidia is also dropping support for Gameslink. One of the nifty things you can do with an nVidia Shield set top box is stream any supported game from a PC already in your home. Importantly, that meant that it worked with games acquired from GoG or Epic or good old-fashioned physical media. I'm not much of a gamer, but I did think it was an amazing replacement for a living room gaming PC.

The Shield will still stream PC games from Geforce Now, which uses games from a Steam Library and costs $10/month if you want it to work on-demand, or from Steam Link, which is obviously also Steam, the service that made me far less interested in PC gaming in general.

This is tangential to video cards, but it is a drag.
 

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He's talking about Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips, a PC Gaming focused Youtube channel that seems to perpetually have infinite money and a staff that includes full on machinists and engineers and workshops dedicated to their craft. ddrueding was a big fan as well.

I wouldn't say I'm a fan, I find Linus himself pretty obnoxious and Anthony's about the only good thing about that channel anymore. But it's either that or the sometimes overly-negative snoozefest that's Gamer's Nexus. All of the other channels in the "techtubing" space are even worse.
 

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I wouldn't say I'm a fan, I find Linus himself pretty obnoxious and Anthony's about the only good thing about that channel anymore. But it's either that or the sometimes overly-negative snoozefest that's Gamer's Nexus. All of the other channels in the "techtubing" space are even worse.

Youtube definitely wants to put some of those channels in front me me, no matter how many times I tell it "Not Interested."
 

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I don't mind Hardware Unboxed as a channel, but I do think they skim over things a little too lightly. I think Jay (Jayz2cents) is starting to become jaded with the big manufacturers, and is starting to speak his mind which is refreshing. For me, I like when Jay does the custom case mod stuff, like building the StarWars case was cool to watch. Hardware Canucks is another one I watch weekly. Admittedly I've become less of a LTT watcher recently, too much click-baitish content, and the only one worth watching is Anthony on the channel. GN, I like because they explain the why and have in depth testing. I think the reason they have become negative, is that over the last 2-3 years a lot of companies have become complacent in new products, with a lot of stagnation in offerings, especially with GPUs.

On the 4070Ti, I highly recommend you watch Buildzoid's PCB breakdowns. Looking at some of the cards and what is actually on them, you would think that some of the cards are really US$200-300 level cards and not US$800+...

 

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I watched about 5 minutes. Does he work for Warranty Week? LOL
What is the normal percentage of COGS to gross sales for video cards? I would have no clue.
 

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It's sounding like the 4060Ti is going to be a $500 8GB card with roughly 3070 (no Ti) performance and a 160W TDP.
The Arc A770 16GB @225W for $300ish and 3060 - 3060Ti performance doesn't seem THAT crazy right now for midrange gamers, especially since it's not easy to pick up a new 3060TI any more.

I did stick a cheap A380 in my workstation. The biggest place I can see a difference is that I can scrub through camera native video in Resolve Studio without seeing my CPU utilization spiking to 70% every time I move the timeline. I haven't had much time to spend with it as I'd like otherwise, but I did confirm that it's using the Arc card for camera-native video.
 

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After some (expected!) struggles getting the A770 to play nicely -- I had to build and install the 6.2-rc4 mainline kernel, and switch to Wayland -- I do have it working under Linux. For something that's only supposed to be getting, like, 70% of the performance that it is under Windows, it's a screamer, easily claps my 1070 and it's reliable and even does integer scaling! (glares at nVidia)

This thing is a monster for what I paid for it and the software I got with it to sweeten the deal. With the prospect of it only getting better with age, I find myself with no buyer's remorse whatsoever for my first real GPU I've bought new. Yes, that's right, everything else I've had up till now has been used. Except the GT610 and 730 I had back in 2013-2015, but let's just forget about those... Yes, it's a little annoying. Yes, the Intel drivers still kinda stink. That stuff is actively getting better and while it really shouldn't have released in the condition it did, I'm happy with my purchase.
 

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225W seems like a lot for 3060-3060Ti performance. Won't the plain 4070 also be about 225W, but with significantly better performance?
 

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Possibly, but nVidia's likely to price it such that no one looking for a mid-ranger will give it a second glance. Not everyone has 700 dollars US to spend on a GPU, I know I certainly didn't, plus at least for the next couple cycles nVidia's name is mud with me. Also bear in mind that with the Arc you get that fat Intel encode block, and probably more VRAM given nVidia pushed the "4070Ti" with 12GB -- although the A770 arguably won't be fast enough to use most of it in a game (outside of situations where, for some reason, uncompressed textures are distributed).

The Arc is a ridiculous value proposition by comparison.
 
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nVidia seems intent on adding $200 to the price of every GPU at this point. I'm really looking forward to the $325 4050 they're going to inflict on us once enough 4060s have hit retail.

225W is just a touch more than a 3060ti or a 2080 and seems reasonable for that desirable level of performance.
 
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