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It looks to me like the GPU is momentarily spiking to very high utilization if I'm doing subject sharpen/face detection/noise removal. It happens if I feed even one image to Topaz AI and stays at nearly full load until it runs out of images to process. This might be an AMD driver thing; I don't remember my 2080 doing that, but it's also not obeying the fan curve I set in MSI Afterburner.

I did think I was going to have to mod some case fans but no, it turns out that I am not the first person to want to put PWM fans on a GPU and there's a ready made adapter, so the mod will actually be pretty easy.
 

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Turns out Battlemage actually adds more advanced chroma support compared to Arc. 12-bit HEVC 444 is something you normally only find on cine cameras, not consumer mirrorless models, but it's there on the spec sheet. Sweet.
 

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The reviews were actually quite good, and it seems the drivers are making considerable progress. If I were shopping for cards in that price range it would be a strong contender.
 

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Color me impressed. I'm not about to buy another one considering how I got turned out on Alchemist, but maybe these driver improvements will migrate their way back.
 

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I ordered a B580 for the son. IIt will join a 11700 (maybe K) and 32 GB RAM. And he uses a 1080 monitor, so it should be enough.
 

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As far as I can tell, those cards are sold out EVERYWHERE.

Apparently the next big news is the next generation Ryzen Pro AI Max nonsense-whatever APUs, which supposedly exceed a discrete mobile RTX 4060 in overall performance. I guess if there's one good thing about planet-killing AI energy demands, it's that everyone is finally serious about putting big boy graphics on everything.
 

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The card is in the mail, perhaps swedes are a bit slower or they went after the Asrock and Sparkles, which seem to have better cooling and so on.

It would be really nice if Intel levelled up on the integrated GPUs. Perhaps in a generation or two? (With the AI-stuff beeing so popular and all?)
 

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Apparently, RDNA 4 GPUs are directly taking the literal name scheme from nVidia, with the new top end being called 9070XT being on par with the nVidia 4070TI. I suppose it will make comparison easier. The top end card is supposed to cost $650, which seems pretty reasonable since we're not talking about $1000+ cards.
 

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^on par for ray tracing performance, apparently. Leakers are also saying that the third-fastest SKU should have 17% less power consumption than the 7800XT, which sounds to me like a pretty modest dual slot/dual fan card rather than some 2.5 slot, three fan monster.
 

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I can report that the son is happy with the B580. It is not super amazing but still good performance, especially for the price. Not a bad buy at this point in time.
 

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Apparently the architecture in Battlemage drivers is suboptimal for low-spec CPUs, resulting in lower than expected performance on older hardware. I'm not sure how many people are using B580s with 10th gen i3s or Ryzen 2700Xs but it's not the best choice for those people.
 

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Didn't nVidia have a similar issue a few years ago, where the xx50/xx60 had less performance with dual/quad core system (i3 and i5's and Ryzen 3's), than with the flag ship CPUs of the time?

 

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I don't see this as a huge problem because we have CPU horsepower coming out of our ears right now, and it's probably something that can be fixed in software.

AMD did not show off any discrete RDNA 4 hardware at CES. AMD did confirm that RDNA 4 will be available Q1 2025, at least for the 7800XT+ replacement hardware The "9060"-class cards that will apply to the lower-end SKUs presumably won't show up until Q2,

Intel announced some new Arrow Lake laptop CPUs but likewise didn't say anything about video cards.

I'm just waiting to see if anybody else decides to add HEVC 422 chroma support in hardware before I buy another Intel GPU.
 

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I have some A310s to play with today. These are short, single-slot cards with no need for external power, but they DO need a fan. They also support all the media encoding the more expensive Arc cards do. Even one of them seems to be able to keep up with three simultaneous 4k to 1080p transcodes for a Plex Server without much of a problem. They're kind of expensive on the scale of entry-level GPUs, but they're going to go live in a server that just hosts virtual desktops as the cheapest thing I can find that'll enable those specific VMs to have any kind of real GPU at all.
 

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Not sure if anyone cares, but it's looking like the non-XT AMD 9070 is about 20% faster than a 7900XTX, at least for rasterized performance in Call of Duty. Given that there is a faster SKU and AMD itself is saying it isn't chasing high end performance, I'd say that's a pretty good showing.
B&H seems to think the new AMD cards will be available at retail on January 23rd. Hopefully before the new Administration's tariffs can take effect.
 

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Tariffs are one thing, but my big worry is the discussions around China not being allowed to take TSMC intact. That would basically park chip production for 3-5 years. My current PC is fine, but I'm tempted to build a 9950X3D/5090 rig and put the current one in reserve just in case.
 

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I suspect China will be waiting for NATO to fall apart to do anything. If NATO doesn't fracture (i.e. enough less syphilitic relics from Reagan's GOP remember Ruskies aren't our friends), China isn't going to risk its place in the global economy, because losing access to European AND North American markets would probably mean a return to a planned economy.

I hope to fuck that doesn't happen. The US does not have a near peer in Asia. If there's sabre-rattling, we can park enough carrier groups in the Pacific to make an issue of anything China wants to do. We CAN'T stop China from sacking Taiwan, but the ROC will absolutely go scorched Earth before it gives the PRC anything at all and they'd never get enough troops ashore for long enough to entrench before the US and whatever pathetic SE Asian regional coalition showed up. It would be a meat grinder for Chinese marines and unless somebody wants to start slinging nukes, it would be complete insanity to directly attack any part of a CSG.

China hasn't had to fight anybody remotely capable of big-boy warfare in its history. It squabbles over borders with India and Pakistan sometimes, killing tens of people on either side every year. It keeps talking about next generation carriers and hypersonic missiles and maybe it has a drone doctrine in advance of the Pentagon thinks it does, but at the end of the day, it's not going to be able to keep anything in the air and can guarantee the safety of anything other than its subs at sea if the US gets involved. If they're fixated on that island, fine, it'll be rubble in no time, but congratulations on setting the global economy back a decade over a point of pride. Unless they want to make it all nuclear, or they're willing to bribe Trump off to an unfathomable degree, it's not a winning scenario for the PRC, even if the US were to go it alone over there.
 

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I guess the one good thing about all the sabre rattling is the realization that we can't put all our eggs in one basket -- between that and the pandemic, it seems that's actually bringing some chip fabrication back home. No word yet on if Trump kills it because it was something Biden did and Therefore Must Be Bad, but if they stick around that could help keep us from total catastrophe if China actually tries to take Taiwan.
 

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All the new fabs in the US are apparently going to Arizona, in spite of the fact that silicon wafers are unbelievably water intensive to produce and every drop of the Colorado river is already spoken for. I do think there's enough of a protectionist and populist streak among the new administration that TSMC and Intel facilities are going to have the entire world of incentives set before them to get up and running, regardless of what else happens in South East Asia. The whole "critical domestic infrastructure" might be the one and only lesson even the complete morons can take away from the pandemic.

As important as those 3nm wafers are, there's a massive long tail for ICs and semiconductors that aren't the absolute top of the line. The world actually runs on 15 year old hardware that's been validated for everything and finds its way into everything with a circuit board. It's not as much work to distribute that sort of manufacturing around the world, but everything comes just as much to a grinding halt when it turns out they can't source 128kB flash modules or solid caps or whatever. Turns out the US doesn't make those things at industrial scales, either.
 

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That's true. The biggest node I saw listed was, I think, 28nm? That's great for stuff from ~2012, but not so good for the support components and microcontrollers put into production 20 years ago that we still use.
 

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What I find interesting is prices for things like a PIC16F628A are way higher than microcontrollers presumably built on smaller nodes with much greater capabilities, like the PIC16F18046. 3.5kB program memory, 224 bytes RAM versus 28 kB program memory, 2kB RAM, plus a whole bunch of peripheral functions. $2.82 versus $0.86 in 100s.

The older stuff probably wouldn't even continue to be made except it's used in a lot of legacy applications.
 

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The parts are validated for whatever. If you're making parts for larger designs, you don't fuck with that. You buy the exact thing in the approved design. Cars are a perfect case in point. They don't screw around with Snapdragon 1-whatever SoCs even though they're absurdly more capable because a bunch of engineers did man-decades of testing to conclude that nothing about the old parts are going to lead to someone getting hurt.

Tesla is actually the exception to all of this. They don't bother with validation for a lot of stuff and just stick in high-end consumer parts, so for example their in dash systems seem like their next-gen space age gear, but then you find out that they can have dashboard displays that don't always light up when the car has been sitting outside in subzero weather. On cars that ABSOLUTELY NEED the dash systems to work for the car to operate.
 
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