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Tea

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Had to network two machines together today. An existing laptop and a brand-new desktop. He wants a wireless network (yuk) but lives so far away from any other houses that security is a total non-issue. I can just leave everything wide-open and it won't matter.

The Soup Nazi wirelesssly networked the laptop to his old desktop some months ago, and had a lot of trouble getting it to go (trouble with drivers for the two different wireless cards, I think) but got there eventually.

I got nowhere. Hardware is all OK, drivers are happy, both machines connect just fine to the web through wired ports, both machines can see each other through the wireless link. (i.e., the wireless networking bizo says they are connected.)

Desktop runs XP Pro, Laptop XP Home. I turned off all the "simple networking" crap already. Desktop starts up normally, wireless or wired, it goes straight into the workgroup and can see itself (i.e., it's own shared drive) but NOT the laptop.

The laptop is a can of worms. It takes ages to go into "Microsoft Windows Networks", then even longer to go into the workgroup (you almost think it's hung). Once there, it can ONLY see the desktop, can't see itself at all. Doesn't matter if wireless or wired.

Worse yet, when you try to share a drive, it takes ages, then informs you that the server service isn't loaded (which msconfig confirms is true). WTF? I thought that always loaded? Went through that routine once (it failed), rebooted, and now there is no option to share a drive! Right-click on (e.g.) the C: drive, and there is no "sharing" option there at all! WTF?

Customer lives miles away, I'm happy that the desktop is working properly, but will need to do something with that laptop. He will bring it in in a few days, I guess. Any ideas?
 

Bozo

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Try looking in Tools>Folder Options>View Scroll down to the bottom of the window and make sure 'Use simple file sharing' is unchecked.

Bozo :joker:
 

ddrueding

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If you are lucky, there are just some additional services that are in non-standard condition on the laptop. If you are unlucky, his wireless router has some kind of internet-cafe type setting; where each machine can see out, but it prevents them from seeing each other. (My Linksys 802.11n has that)
 

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What happens if you turn off whatever Firewall is on the laptop? Does it have McAffee or Norton or something similarly useless on it?

Has it ever been cleaned of Spyware?

Have you tried reinstalling TCP/IP? Sometimes that fixes weirdness.

At a command prompt, type:
netsh int ip reset log.txt

And see if that changes anything.
 

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Thanks guys. I'll check the AV/firewall status, Merc, I don't recall a nasty AV product. Not been spyware cleaned but there is no obvious sign, it's fairly new, and the customer isn't in the habit of picking up infections. But I'll check.

Yup: reinstalling TCP/IP sounds like a good thing to try. I probably should have done that last night but I gave up and we went home instead. I guess I'll see the machine again in a few days, and I'l llet you know how it went.
 

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So he has a wireless network without internet access? Or is the access via dial-up? Does he use <shudder> internet connection sharing? That thing will cause all kinds of trouble.
 

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Almost fixed!

Removed and reinstalled TCPIP, no worries. But still no right-click option to share any drives and the server service isn't started.

When I go command line, everything works perfectly: I type in:

NET SHARE LAPTOPC=c:\

It complains that the server isn't started, do I want to start it Y/N? I say yes, and I have a perfect network.

Of course, when you reboot, it's gone again. Now what? How do I get the server service to start up automatically?

(If push comes to shove, I could ask Uncle Tannin to write a little old DOS-style batch file and stick it in startup, but that seems like a bit of a kludge.)
 

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Open up Computer Management -> Services and Applications -> Services, and find the offending "Server" service. Ensure it's set to "Automatic" Startup, also check that "Workstation" is set to auto as well... Another one to check for is the "Browser" service...

If it's already set to auto, change to manual, click apply, change back to auto, and click apply again to ensure that the registry entries for the service are correct...

Here is a quick reg dump from my system for the server service. (Note the start value).
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver]
"Type"=dword:00000020
"Start"=dword:00000002
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"ImagePath"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\
74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,73,\
00,76,00,63,00,68,00,6f,00,73,00,74,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,20,00,2d,00,\
6b,00,20,00,6e,00,65,00,74,00,73,00,76,00,63,00,73,00,00,00
"DisplayName"="Server"
"ObjectName"="LocalSystem"
"Description"="Supports file, print, and named-pipe sharing over the network for this computer. If this service is stopped, these functions will be unavailable. If this service is disabled, any services that explicitly depend on it will fail to start."

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameters]
"autodisconnect"=dword:0000000f
"enableforcedlogoff"=dword:00000001
"enablesecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
"requiresecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
"NullSessionPipes"=hex(7):43,00,4f,00,4d,00,4e,00,41,00,50,00,00,00,43,00,4f,\
00,4d,00,4e,00,4f,00,44,00,45,00,00,00,53,00,51,00,4c,00,5c,00,51,00,55,00,\
45,00,52,00,59,00,00,00,53,00,50,00,4f,00,4f,00,4c,00,53,00,53,00,00,00,4c,\
00,4c,00,53,00,52,00,50,00,43,00,00,00,62,00,72,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,65,00,\
72,00,00,00,00,00
"NullSessionShares"=hex(7):43,00,4f,00,4d,00,43,00,46,00,47,00,00,00,44,00,46,\
00,53,00,24,00,00,00,00,00
"ServiceDll"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,\
00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,\
73,00,72,00,76,00,73,00,76,00,63,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00
"Lmannounce"=dword:00000000
"Size"=dword:00000001
"Guid"=hex:58,80,f6,fb,0c,4e,50,4d,91,d4,80,03,36,29,bc,4b
"AdjustedNullSessionPipes"=dword:00000001
"CachedOpenLimit"=dword:00000000
"Annouce"=dword:00000060
"EnableOpLocks"=dword:00000000
 

Tea

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Darn! Just too late. I sent those two machines home (networking hapily) two minutes ago, using Tannin's inelegant but functional hack - something.bat with NET START SERVER in the startup folder.

I feel really stupid now, I've met that Computer Management -> Services and Applications -> Services before often enough, but for some reason was trying to find it on the MSCONFIG services page - couldn't figure out why I could only tick or untick, figured it was either a weirdo secirity setting that I didn't know how to undo, or else yet another of those stupid move-things-for-the-sake-of-it changes between different Windows versions.

As an example, consider the logon bizo: with w2K if you wan the default user to be logged on right away, you do that through system properties/users and paswords. But there is no way at all to do that with XP if the user has a password set (and you need passwords for networking purposes, even if they are just "word", save for maually editing the registry.

bleaugh

Anyway, thanks for reminding me, Chewy. Come in handy next time.

Dave: he has a satellite broadband connection coming in on his hard-wired desktop network connection, then wireless ICS from a wireless card to his laptop. Yeah, I hate ICS too, but there you go. What was that technical term I used a moment ago?

bleaugh
 

ddrueding

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I haven't used ICS in a long time, but IIRC it screws up everything; DHCP, NAT, IPs, DNS...everything. I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the culprit of your screwy system.
 

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In my experience ICS usually works well enough for what it's for; the biggest problem I've had with it is a small ICS network where someone mistakenly adds a wireless router which they just want to use as an AP (easily solved by making the router the primary gateway but a source of trouble nonetheless).

ICS is certainly the least painful way to share a dialup connection.

Anyway, what has it done that you don't like, ddrueding?
 

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My complaints with it stem from where it is located and how little it says about what it does before doing it. On a number of occasions I've had users in medium-sized companies attempt to bring in a laptop from home and think that "Share my internet connection" is exactly what they need to make it work.
 

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But there is no way at all to do that with XP if the user has a password set (and you need passwords for networking purposes, even if they are just "word", save for maually editing the registry.
You need XP Pro**, but start->run->gpedit.msc

Local Policy -> Computer Config -> Windows Settings -> Security Settings -> Local Policies -> Security Options. Set Accounts: Limit local account use of blank password to console logon only to DISABLE.

You now no longer need passwords for networking purposes...

** Or copy gpedit.msc from a XP Pro install onto the same place on XP Home.
 
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