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    It is a 110" projection screen. It wouldn't fit over the fireplace, much less in it. So where are we with the speakers?

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    You got me. Your drawing doesn't have the screen, or I don't see it. You can't have the screen blocking the speakers. Uh, we need more information...

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    Much of it beyond what is visible in the attachment is still up for grabs. The couch is facing a full-height wall unit approx 1' deep, including a 110" fixed projection screen and a bunch of drawers/cabinets/shelves whose layout has yet to be determined. The screen is not of the acoustically transparent type, so the speakers will need to be around it somehow. I was hoping to do an underfloor subwoofer, but any opening in the hardwood floor got nixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    Much of it beyond what is visible in the attachment is still up for grabs. The couch is facing a full-height wall unit approx 1' deep, including a 110" fixed projection screen and a bunch of drawers/cabinets/shelves whose layout has yet to be determined. The screen is not of the acoustically transparent type, so the speakers will need to be around it somehow. I was hoping to do an underfloor subwoofer, but any opening in the hardwood floor got nixed.
    So the screen is already acquired? The full height wall unit is yet to be installed? Does the screen attach from the ceiling? (Just wondering how you will access cabinets behind it? Or is there a keep out space with the screen in the same plane as the front of the wall unit?) Given your seating position I would go with the front three speakers above or below the screen, if you try to straddle the screen with left/right there will probably be too much seperation for stereo listening etc.

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    Why not go down to your favorite HiFi dealer with the building plans and your budget, discuss different solutions? And bring the wife, the last time I did that I got a 100% budget increase within a couple of minutes.

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    Well, as long as he knows better than to actually buy anything there from the person who will likely give him bad information that might not be a bad strategy.

    I still don't see how he's going to get good performance from a projector with all that ambient light, but what do I know?

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    The screen is already acquired and in use got nearly two years. I suppose I could buy a new one if this one was unsuitable in some significant way, but I'd rather not. The wall unit has yet to be completely designed, much less built, so other than the size and material (hardwood, wall to door and floor to ceiling, about one foot thick) it can be as accommodating as possible.

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    The screen is fixed and will be in a recessed area at the appropriate height. Due to our active lifestyle, we only watch movies at night.

    Thanks to everyone for your help.

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    I'm sorry that I never stop nagging about Linn, but you should really get a pair of Majik 109's. They will even throw in a set of active filters with the speakers if you buy them before Aug 17 when their summer campaign ends. I think the filters alone should be worth ~ $700-$1000. Just add amplifiers (or sell the filters on eBay.)

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    Gotcha fb. I've looked before, and I just did again. They look awesome, but are considerably out of my budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    Gotcha fb. I've looked before, and I just did again. They look awesome, but are considerably out of my budget.
    Maybe you can buy them anyway and tell your wife you spent $1000 on a new CPU or SSD and $500 on the speakers?

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    Does anyone make a receiver that is no deeper than say 6 inches? Maybe one designed to wall mount.

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    Not that I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howell View Post
    Does anyone make a receiver that is no deeper than say 6 inches? Maybe one designed to wall mount.
    You could get one designed to rack-mount and then hang it on a wall-mount bracket?
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    You could cut a hole in the wall and just have 6 inches sticking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timwhit View Post
    You could cut a hole in the wall and just have 6 inches sticking out.
    Even if you have 2x6 walls, you would have 6" sticking out either side of the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    Even if you have 2x6 walls, you would have 6" sticking out either side of the wall.
    There has to be some way to connect all the cables.

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    The Sherwood R-903 is only 10 inches deep.

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    I've found myself in possession of two Onkyo TX-8255 stereo receivers that I would like to use to power the speakers in the rest of the house. I'm planning on just stacking them on top of each other, and on top of the TX-SR507 and another surround capable unit (TBD) for the rooms with video. Of course, all these units will end up in a cabinet of some kind. and I'm guessing that the cabinet will require some kind of ventilation. Thoughts?

    Another issue: I need a receiver capable of converting the component from the Wii to HDMI for the run to the ceiling mounted projector. I have had good experiences with the Onkyo gear, is this the cheapest unit they have that will do what I want?
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    I've also just about settled on some Polk LC80i speakers for the home theater. This avoids the cabinet depth issues we had discussed earlier. They seem to get good reviews, and are just far enough out of my budget that I might be able to swing 2 channels soon, a center in a while, and surrounds later.

    They also offer enclosures for another couple hundred each; any thoughts?
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    Just heard a HT with those this weekend. There were 2 pairs installed as L CC R plus 80fx surrounds. Sounded decent and with good dialog rendition, but I am probably too old now to make any critical listening judgments.

    Owner stated that he used the Polk enclosures after discovering that his whole house attic fan would displace the diaphragm of the first speaker he mounted.

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    Wow, what a coincidence. It makes sense to have a pair in the center, but while I don't have anything in the center, is there a trick to make my surround sound stuff work through just the stereo set?
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    Yeah, I had to text him to make sure it was the same model!
    He wanted timbre matching across the front speakers, and didn't want to waste the extra speaker.

    I am not up-to-date on HT stuff, but my old Technics D/A converter from 1995ish had a mode to play surround through the L/R fronts; just had to tell it that there were not any surround or center speakers and it would mix in the surround channels (I suspect with a bit of delay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    I've found myself in possession of two Onkyo TX-8255 stereo receivers that I would like to use to power the speakers in the rest of the house. I'm planning on just stacking them on top of each other, and on top of the TX-SR507 and another surround capable unit (TBD) for the rooms with video. Of course, all these units will end up in a cabinet of some kind. and I'm guessing that the cabinet will require some kind of ventilation. Thoughts?

    Another issue: I need a receiver capable of converting the component from the Wii to HDMI for the run to the ceiling mounted projector. I have had good experiences with the Onkyo gear, is this the cheapest unit they have that will do what I want?
    I don't know if it's the cheapest, but I know first hand it will convert the component to HDMI. I have the sr608 and a Wii connected to it via component cables and the output goes through HDMI to my TV. I bought mine when newegg had a giftcard reward. The end price was $380 with $50 back as a giftcard.

    I did end up disabling the on-screen menu like many others have because watching blurays at 24fps through it causes an occasional skipping issue. Once disabled easily the problem stops.

    I ordered some new speakers this past Thursday to upgrade my Cambridge soundworks model 6 that I've had for probably 15 years. I went with B&W CM9s. I listened to several for multiple hours over multiple days and found that I really enjoyed these.

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    Looking for a place to buy them, and there is a massive price difference between vendors, with the usual suspects being on the high end (Crutchfield - $450, Safe and Sound - $220).

    Any tips?
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    Look at the reseller ratings of each vendor before you buy, and on the electronics don't necessarily buy the cheapest unit that has the minimum feature set you want.

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    The Onkyo site has a semi-decent way of explaining what you get with every upgrade. The next version up gives Pandora and USB support, which would be a waste considering the primary input is a computer.

    The one I'm looking at already has 7.2 support, HDMI 1.4a, Faroudja DCDi upconversion, and an army of inputs. Not sure what else I should be looking for.
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    Well, the amplifiers generally get better (more robust) as you move up the line. Specifically that they can output more power at the same time due to a larger power supply. But, if you're not listening loudly or not a demanding listener, spending more to go higher end may not be money well spent.

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    The amp is 100W @ 8 ohms per channel, and the speakers are 125W @ 4 ohms. Not sure how that works.
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    You won't be able to drive them at 4 ohms if you're considering the TX-SR608. It's rated to support 6 to 16 ohm speakers. Anything lower may likely over-heat or possibly damage the internal amp (or it may just simply turn off).

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    Looks like the TX-NR708 support 4-16 ohm speakers. There is a setting that needs to be enabled for speakers that are between 4-6 ohm.

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    That setting reduces the rail voltage of the amplifiers which in turn reduces the power (and current) the speaker can get which taxes the amplifier less.

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    What is everyone's thoughts on DIY speaker cables? I was looking to get some 10 gauge oxygen-free copper speaker wire (nothing exotic) and some GLS banana ends.

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    I use my brother's stupid-expensive hand-me-downs, but I've never been able to tell the difference between those and cables and connectors I've purchased at Home Depot.

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    Define stupid-expensive? I was looking at spending less than $100 for everything which will get me wire and connectors for 5 speaker connections (20 bananas and ~30 ft cable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handruin View Post
    What is everyone's thoughts on DIY speaker cables? I was looking to get some 10 gauge oxygen-free copper speaker wire (nothing exotic) and some GLS banana ends.
    Unless you have really long runs (like >50'), you don't need 10ga wire. This + this should cover you.

    You don't have to solder them either. The wire will go through the back, and fold it over the screw end slightly and tighten it down. Instructions (PDF)

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    I actually was considering the 12ga from monoprice that you linked to. I found a thread on avs on making your own cables and the person there used the same setup that you've suggested (with a few other cosmetic things I don't care about). After reading the feedback on the monoprice banana plugs in that thread, the consensus seemed to be they were not that great, so someone linked to the GLS plugs which looked decent for the money.

    I'm planning to bi-amp the L and R at a 5' run for each with and a single 5' for the center channel. If you think 12ga is enough, I won't bother with the 10ga and I can get by with spending about $45 if I use the GLS ends and 50' 12ga monoprice wire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handruin View Post
    Define stupid-expensive? I was looking at spending less than $100 for everything which will get me wire and connectors for 5 speaker connections (20 bananas and ~30 ft cable).
    I don't remember what I have any more in my living room or bedroom but as I recall they're palladium and teflon and the banana plugs are gold. Probably $100 or $150/foot. Maybe more than that. It's retarded audiophile stuff.

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    I'm no where in that ballpark. I consider these to be in the class of stupid-expensive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handruin View Post
    Looks like the TX-NR708 support 4-16 ohm speakers. There is a setting that needs to be enabled for speakers that are between 4-6 ohm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    That setting reduces the rail voltage of the amplifiers which in turn reduces the power (and current) the speaker can get which taxes the amplifier less.
    So that is what is required, no? The TX-NR708 is only $550 @ Newegg right now. In the cart as we speak.
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    I never dove into reviews of that receiver only because the jump in price wasn't warranted to me given the extra features it offers and also based on my needs. Although, now I kinda wish I did go for it to get the preamp outputs. When I originally bought the sr608, I didn't think I'd go for fancy speakers. Now that I have, I could probably use a cleaner amp. You'll also gain an analog to 1080P upscaling if you fancy that kind of feature for your Wii. You'll also get the Audyssey MultEQ vs the 2EQ.

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    I just wish I had a receiver that supported HDMI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    So that is what is required, no? The TX-NR708 is only $550 @ Newegg right now. In the cart as we speak.
    Yeah, that is what's needed to safely drive 4 ohm speakers with a modern receiver.

    Actually, the trick is to leave the switch to 8 ohms and use the speakers. If the receiver shuts down due to excessive current or thermal shutdown, you flip the switch and that problem should go away but it'll generate / put out less power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
    I just wish I had a receiver that supported HDMI.
    I had the same wish, which is why I went with the SR608.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handruin View Post
    After reading the feedback on the monoprice banana plugs in that thread, the consensus seemed to be they were not that great...
    I've got 'em and they work fine for me.
    I'm planning to bi-amp the L and R at a 5' run for each with and a single 5' for the center channel. If you think 12ga is enough, I won't bother with the 10ga and I can get by with spending about $45 if I use the GLS ends and 50' 12ga monoprice wire.
    I'd suggest you get cables a few feet longer than you need. Then if you move things around you don't suddenly find yourself with cables too short. Also, if you're measuring with a tape measure you'll have a tendency to underestimate the amount of cable you need in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handruin View Post
    I consider these to be in the class of stupid-expensive!
    FYI: Never buy a product that has the word "magic" in the name if it costs more than ~$5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
    I just wish I had a receiver that supported HDMI.
    What's stopping you? Receivers with HDMI switching have been around for years.

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    Their marketing team must have trained at the same school as the Monster Cable folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    What's stopping you? Receivers with HDMI switching have been around for years.
    The nine year old $2000 Integra Receiver I have that works just fine.

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