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    http://www.svsound.com/products-spks-scs01.cfm

    They also have a larger speaker series.

    I have a PC-Ultra sub, it's quite a performer.

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    Didn't realize they are introducing an in-wall line (wifey approved!).

    http://www.svsound.com/products/2_SV...0RCES10Web.pdf

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    The AS-MT2 are very inefficient though. The AS-MTM2 are a bit better, but still may be low depending on how loud ddrueding plans to listen.

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    Thanks for all the advice so far. It looks like I will be trying to acquire some Polk in-wall speakers via eBay as I can. I suspect I'll be looking at the TCi and not the LCi, but compromises are what they are. I'm currently battling to get an RS4, so I can let this slide.
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    My tip: Get a GMC Pacer instead of the RS4 and get this movie system instead. That's what I would do anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fb View Post
    My tip: Get a GMC Pacer instead of the RS4 and get this movie system instead. That's what I would do anyway.
    The speakers will last much longer too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    The AS-MT2 are very inefficient though. The AS-MTM2 are a bit better, but still may be low depending on how loud ddrueding plans to listen.
    Well if effortless loudness on a couple of Watts is what you are after a quintet of Klipshorns would do the job.

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    I have Klipsch at the office, and I do like them.
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    I would rather jam a q-tip into my brain than ever listen to Klipsch speakers again.

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    I don't really understand this whole thing. I know that many people don't like Klipsch because of "Horn-loaded tweeters" or something. No idea what that means, or what the deal is. What I like about them is that they sound good down to really low volume.
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    It had to do with the characteristic sound of a horn (which isn't really a characteristic of a well designed horn, but more the way Klipsch designed them to sound). If you're talking about Klipsch PC speakers I'm not sure they have the real Klipsch characteristic sound.

    Klipsch actually made some good speakers not too long ago that didn't have their characteristic sound and were actually good sounding speakers. The problem was that they didn't end up appealing to anyone. Klipsch lovers didn't like the sound, and the portion of the people who didn't like the old Klipsch sound were scared off because they were still Klipsch and horns and didn't consider them (never listening to them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fb View Post
    My tip: Get a GMC Pacer instead of the RS4 and get this movie system instead. That's what I would do anyway.
    Wasn't it an AMC Pacer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    Wasn't it an AMC Pacer?
    Better driving than a Gremlin though.
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    Do any of you like psb speakers? I was into them many years back but haven't kept up to date with them. There is a local audio shop that sells them near me. I'm thinking of going over for a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    Wasn't it an AMC Pacer?
    Yes, it was.

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    Certainly are different speakers for people that like different sounds, myself I like the classic polk soft dome tweeter. I happen to know some of their range so just for kicks:

    Polk series 5 $36
    http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-OF-POLK-AUD...item3ca9dad244

    Series 7 $100
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-7-Mon...item4a9e6dde81

    I would hold out for the 10's or 12's like I have but the audiophiles seem to snatch them up darn quick.

    CS245 center $45
    http://cgi.ebay.com/POLK-AUDIO-CS245...item53df97e9ec

    One RT-25 shelf speaker for wide or surround. Makes you wonder where the rest went. Overpriced at $39.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-Singl...item20af6e8de9

    10" Subwoofer PSW450 $89
    http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-Polk-Audio-...item5ad6f09fdc

    All that is just right now, I bet with some time I could put something together for very little money using top end vintage stuff with a budget of say $800.

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    Another alternative is to get just two channel sound. Two good speakers should be better than five or six less good ones. I get plenty of 3D sound from my >10 year old Linn Tukans...

    And don't upgrade the receiver unless it's really necessary. Conversion from component to HDMI can only degrade the signal, maybe it's worth it if you only want one cable between the receiver and TV/projector but I can't see any other use. It's only expensive in the long run to buy new cheap stuff every year or so. Before you know it you've spent $3000 on crap that you could just as well have spent on one good receiver or 7.1 pre-amplifier that will last at least 10-15 years. That's how I'm reasoning when buying stereo equipment, I don't know if it's right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fb View Post
    And don't upgrade the receiver unless it's really necessary. Conversion from component to HDMI can only degrade the signal, maybe it's worth it if you only want one cable between the receiver and TV/projector but I can't see any other use.
    Full quality sound from BluRay discs requires HDMI. I don't spend enough time watching BDs for it to matter to me yet, and none of my receivers do HDMI anyway, but I'm aware my setup is less than optimal for that.

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    Also many people are considering media players that can pass TrueHD or DTS HD-MA quality streams through HDMI and I am thinking that a lot of those players don't exactly put much value in a quality preamp level output, if they even offer analog output. In that case I would much prefer to go coax or optical and let the player strip the core audio for 5.1 or play the 5.1 track.

    I didn't go that route but I could have, I just choose to go with the receiver for the HD audio plus a whole ton of other goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
    Full quality sound from BluRay discs requires HDMI. I don't spend enough time watching BDs for it to matter to me yet, and none of my receivers do HDMI anyway, but I'm aware my setup is less than optimal for that.
    I understand, I'm not against HDMI. It's just that I (maybe mis)understood it like ddrueding might upgrade the receiver to one that could convert composite and S-video to HDMI. Of course it's no problem if it comes with an otherwise great receiver, but I don't think it should be a major factor when taking the decision since extra signal conversions is against my religious beliefs.

    Another thing, I just remembered Scandyna, their speakers should have a high WAF and the sound is also supposed to be pretty good.

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    I have made basically my entire system HDMI, except the Wii and the VCR, which I can't. I don't want to run extra cables all the way up to the ceiling-mounted projector, and use an extra remote just for them.
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    I almost thought so, I hope it works fine. I guess you'll have the possibility to upscale the content in the receiver too, it might be nice.

    I just saw something that so far looks like a great deal on ebay, Linn Sizmik 10.25 subwoofer.

    Here's a review of the sub.

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    So is this the cheapest Onkyo receiver that will take whatever I give it and convert it to HDMI?

    I would also love to have it output to two HDMI sources simultaneously (A splitter, not a matrix), but it looks like it would be cheaper to buy a separate splitter.
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    On the receiver can you stretch a bit and get the 180 for the Faroudja DCDi CINEMA with 1080p upscaling and THX Select2 Plus?

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    Stretch a bit? It is 45% more!

    Yes, I probably can. Is it really worth it?
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    I thought so, this is how I got mine so see if this deal is any good still:

    http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1789604
    http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=ONKHTRC180

    I can answer questions on the 180 as I have it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    I can answer questions on the 180 as I have it here.
    That strikes me as a vote of confidence.
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    There are receivers coming on the market with HDMI 1.4 and likely 2 outputs.

    http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-ne...receivers.html

    Entry level with 1.4 @ @229.

    Personally I have the Pioneer 1018 (1.3), works great with the PS3.

    In the mid range there should be dual output 1.4 receivers in that price range. Given your penchant for high resolutions, the 4K support seems like a future proof no brainer.

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    Yup, 4k and 3D support make a lot of sense if I'm spending over a grand. If I wait until we are in the house and the low voltage conduit is in place, that gives me about 6 months. That should be enough time for some 1.4 stuff to enter the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    Steer clear of AV123.
    Here's why I made that suggestion previously.

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    Wow, that guy has some serious charges against him. What a douche bag for taking donation money for himself.

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    Yeah, I got played for sucker along with a lot of other people.

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    Sorry to hear that. I hope he takes it in the pooper in jail.

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    http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post?id=3044980#1

    250W-HF, 500W-Mid, 1000W-LF, triple active amps.

    One day. 7 of them. Starting with the center.

    Downsides: 115 lbs won't work on top of my RPTV

    Positives: Inevitably that means projection, I prefer an acoustically transparent screen and the sound coming out of the picture.

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    I love the Catalyst 12's. They're a little too rich for my blood at $3500 each. Thankfully Mark is coming out with a somewhat more budget friendly scaled down version that I will be using for the front 3 speakers in my HT.

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    Thinking of getting a pair of good speakers for my birthday. These would be the front right/left of the home theater system, and I was considering Polk LSi9 (eBay, ~$700/pair). Unfortunately, the cabinetry that they will be going into was only going to be 12" deep. Are there good bang/buck speakers in that price range that will fit in that cabinet? Is looking for a good speaker that is less than 12" deep unreasonable?
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    Looks like the LSi7 is 10.25" deep. That might be where I go.
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    Rule #1 is that you don't put speakers inside cabinetry if you care about good sound.

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    The cabinetry will be custom built with spots for the speakers. Where do you stick them if not on a shelf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    The cabinetry will be custom built with spots for the speakers. Where do you stick them if not on a shelf?
    Out in the open, standing on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    The cabinetry will be custom built with spots for the speakers. Where do you stick them if not on a shelf?
    timwhit pretty much got it right. Putting a speaker inside another opening leads to drastic changes in the baffle response since you get reflections from the cabinetry if the cabinetry extends past the front face of the speaker. A shelf wouldn't necessarily be too bad assuming the shelf was very small and didn't expend past the bottom of the speaker, but then you still have the impact of having the speaker so close to the back wall which can lead to too much emphasis on the bass. On stands you can solve that simply by adjusting the distance from the wall, but when you're using a shelf you're sorta stuck.

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    Having speakers that sit in the room on their own isn't an option aesthetically. I can have them built in to the cabinet, flush to the face, or I can put them in the ceiling like the surrounds will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timwhit View Post
    Out in the open, standing on the floor.
    That is how we always did in the olden days. The speaker/enclosures are designed by the manufacturer to be decoupled from the environment unless it a custom (rather expensive) design. In that case you might want input from a professional engineer.
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    Even sitting on the floor simply changing the speaker distance from the wall changes their sound, surely everyone has experimented with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddrueding View Post
    Having speakers that sit in the room on their own isn't an option aesthetically. I can have them built in to the cabinet, flush to the face, or I can put them in the ceiling like the surrounds will be.
    Basically this theatre has chosen form over function. Compromised as it were. When picking speakers for this setup, go with what looks pretty. Because putting a speaker cabinet inside another cabinet is going to discolour the sound of any higher end speaker, so might as well get something that fulfills one of the constraints.

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    He might as well go with in wall speakers which are at least designed to be put in a compromising acoustic position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Basically this theatre has chosen form over function. Compromised as it were. When picking speakers for this setup, go with what looks pretty. Because putting a speaker cabinet inside another cabinet is going to discolour the sound of any higher end speaker, so might as well get something that fulfills one of the constraints.
    Some compromise is necessary, as it is the living room and not a dedicated theater. That doesn't mean I don't want something that sounds good within the envelope that has been defined by my wife. And putting the speakers on shelves is nothing compared to the obstacle that is the shape of the room; it is completely open on the right side (image attached).
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    Well, at least your not putting a TV over the fireplace.

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    Why not? I have a TV in the fireplace.
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