Folding@Home

[The JoJo]

G@H is dead, long live F@H!

I'm starting this thread so that all information about F@H can be gathered into one place.

Cougtek has made a team for us (Team number : 10047) and the client can be downloaded from the front page.

I've allready begun crunching with my XP1800@1633MHz.

Let's not waste cycles!

[Buck]

Is there a location where we can check out our team yet?

[i]

It appears to be here:

http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=10047

Assuming I've got that right, you'll have to wait until after the next stats processing before you see anything useful there.

[Prof.Wizard]

Where can I download the v3 client? Only v2.19 I see... :(

[CougTek]

Version 3.0 isn't available yet, download the 2.19 instead. The stats system of the client 3.0 isn't supposed to change from the client 2.19, so your work won't be lost.

[Buck]

How often does the stats page update, and is it more reliable then statsman for Genome?

[CougTek]

I have no idea Buck, Folding@home is only a few hours less new to me than it is to you. I think both projects are about as old so the level of maturity of both should be more or less equal.

The next few days should be enough to answer your questions.

[Bartender]

How often does the stats page update, and is it more reliable then statsman for Genome?

Patience my son.

[Cliptin]

How often does the stats page update, and is it more reliable then statsman for Genome?

Patience my son.

Version 3.0 beta of the client is available here (http://folding.stanford.edu/FAH3.html).

[Clocker]

Which of the 3 fiules are you supposed to use??

CLOCKER

[CougTek]

The first one if you want all the graphic interface, or just the text-only console if you only care about speed (1-3% faster).

[Tea]

I don't know what it is about these background apps, every time I instal one it crashes my system. Nothing crashes my system! Except Genome@home (until I disabled the United Devices one, which now runs only as a screen saver). And nor Folding@home, the graphicl version of which crashed twice running after first install. I'm not sure about the first time, but the second time it was definately not running UD as an active process.

So, I downloaded the console version. 1/4 the size too. Clever little app: it picked up my username and team from the failed graphical version and got right on to business.

Console version for me from now on.

[CougTek]

I wish I could afford one of these (http://www.rocketcalc.com/index.php?loc=redstone) to increase my F@h stats :roll: And it would be nice if RocketCalc would develop a similar cluster with Palomino (or Thoroughbred) instead of PIII. Lot of crunching power for the price though.

One thing that's sad about clusters is the power consumption (this one needs 1724W combined PSU power). Maybe a cluster of the upcoming Athlon SFF could bring the eated power down a bit (or at least the CPU power/power consumption ratio).

[Prof.Wizard]

:o Man this REDSTONE rocks!!! :o

[Bartender]

That stats page for Folding@Home seems to update quite regularly - what a nice change.

[Prof.Wizard]

That's very good indeed...
And for the moment, Clocker is underclocked!! :P :mrgrn:

[Clocker]

And he isn't too happy about it!!

:evil:

[Tea]

How do I tell it to get more work at a time? It just wasted 4 hours waiting for me to wake up and give it a network connection.

[CougTek]

You have to answer "no" to the question "Ask before connect to network" (during the setup).

[Clocker]

You have to answer "no" to the question "Ask before connect to network" (during the setup).

I think Tea's machine is physically disconnected from the 'net. I think Tea wants to have a -nonet feature like in the Genome client....

Clocker

[Tea]

I already aswered "no" Coug.

You got it, Clocker. Right now, only thing that happens if I rip out my 1800+ and slip in a 2100+ or a dualie is I get to wait faster.

[CougTek]

I just looked at Statsman Genome@home page and someone needs to inform both Sol and Dozer that we have switched project. Two of my boxes are still running the Genome client, but they are fairly unproductive and won't add much to my stats. I'll install the F@h client on them soon.

I figure the same should happen to Doug's and Bartender's systems still crunching the Genome.

[The JoJo]

Hmmm, having trouble with the 3b client. I't can't get any work from the servers. I'm behind a firewall, but port 80 stuff works ok.


Maybe in the next beta....:(

[Prof.Wizard]

Damn. :(
Wizard's spell failed... I'm last!

Crunch darn machine, crunch!!

[Tea]

Doesn't that damn stats thingie ever update itself? HTF is Sol in front of me. XP 1800 and - hell - I don't even exist yet!

[CougTek]

Are you sure that you have entered the correct team # (10047)? Because that stats engine is quite efficient. It seems to update at least once an hour.

[Tea]

10047. Yup. Sent my first batch of results 18 hours ago. No update.

sigh

[Prof.Wizard]

Confirming what Coug says. I uploaded the results and in less than half an hour I saw myself NOT in the last position... :)

[Bartender]

Coming out of the gate Handruin takes the lead. Bartender is running a close second. Cougtek is desperately holding onto third as Cliptin closes the gap with a steady pace. In the rear The_JoJo and Clocker race neck and neck with Prof.Wizard providing some competition for the two. P5_133XL finally gets his running legs going and approaches the pack. Sol is running behind as he stumbles out of the gate. We have a mechanical failure with gate 10 preventing Tea from starting the race.

[Tea]

sob

[Pradeep]

There is no -nonet functionality with Folding@Home I believe? Or have they fixed this with ver 3.0?

[Pradeep]

sob

HAHA! I feel much better now even tho I am still going blind in front of this 14" POS.

[The JoJo]

Hi everyone!

Could you all please post what kind of hardware you are running the client(s) on?

My stuff:
XP1800@1633MHz 512MB
Celeron 500MHz 128MB
P2 333@375MHz 196MB

Thanks!

[Buck]

Athlon Thunderbird 1400C
Athlon XP 1600+
Intel Pentium III 1.2 Ghz Tualatin

All terms, conditions, and information to change without notice.

[Tea]

XP 1800 512MB

[The JoJo]

Thanks Tea and Buck!

What about the rest of you?

[Clocker]

Single Pentium 3 1Ghz 133 FSB, i810E chipset, 256MB (in an old AT case!)

Dual Athlon XP 1700+ in a Tyan Tiger MPX S2466-4M (w/ fixed USB)


That is it for me right now.

C

[CougTek]

*Athlon XP 1500+ at 1.436GHz (comparable to a 1600+) on a Soltek SL-75DRV2
*Athlon classic 500MHz on an Asus K7M

Next week I'll add :
*Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz on an ECS K7S5A (this config should work, but it does)
Pentium III 733MHz on a GigaByte Apollo Pro 133A

* Note that this system is running 24/7

[Handruin]

*Althon T-Bird 1.2 GHz (about 23 hours a day)
*PIII 1GHz
*PIII 1GHz
*Quad PIII Xeon 500MHz

* Denotes machine running 24x7

[Bartender]

*Althon T-Bird 1.2 GHz (about 23 hours a day)
*PIII 1GHz
*PIII 1GHz
*Quad PIII Xeon 500MHz

* Denotes machine running 24x7

Wow, no wonder you took the lead. I'll have to wave my magic wand and accidently spill some beer on that Quad PIII.

[Handruin]

*Althon T-Bird 1.2 GHz (about 23 hours a day)
*PIII 1GHz
*PIII 1GHz
*Quad PIII Xeon 500MHz

* Denotes machine running 24x7

Wow, no wonder you took the lead. I'll have to wave my magic wand and accidently spill some beer on that Quad PIII.

Yeah but this was the same setup with genome@home. You were gaining on me pretty damn good, I was figuring you would swim away from me with folding at home.

[Bartender]

Handruin and Bartend fight for first place, and Bartender takes the lead. Cougtek pulls away from Cliptin and sees Handruin in the distance. Tea is still clamoring at the gate insisting the race is unfair.

[CougTek]

Cougtek pulls away from Cliptin and sees Handruin in the distance.
sees Handruin in the distance? Am I supposed to use binoculars or a telescope to see him?

[Bartender]

Cougtek pulls away from Cliptin and sees Handruin in the distance.
sees Handruin in the distance? Am I supposed to use binoculars or a telescope to see him?

I'm optimistic.

[Prof.Wizard]

AMD Athlon 1.33GHz

[CougTek]

Single Pentium 3 1Ghz 133 FSB, i810E chipset, 256MB (in an old AT case!)

Dual Athlon XP 1700+ in a Tyan Tiger MPX S2466-4M (w/ fixed USB)

It's weird I'm able to hold my own against Kevin, his setup should be at least 50% faster than mine. Three CPUs vs two. Two Athlon XP 1700+ vs my Athlon XP 1600+ and a 1GHz PIII vs my Athlon 500MHz. There's something wrong, but I'm not the one who'll complain.

[Bartender]

Athlon Thunderbird 1400C
Athlon XP 1600+
Intel Pentium III 1.2 Ghz Tualatin


You can add:
Intel Pentium III 933EB (Socket-370)
Intel Pentium III 667EB (Slot-1)

All terms, conditions, and information to change without notice.

[P5-133XL]

1/2 of a dual MP 1900+. I'm still commited to doing United Devices, but their program does not use dual processors so I added folding@home to a machine doing Cancer/Anthrax cures. Thus both are running at 50% (the equivilent of a single MP 1900+)

[The JoJo]

Thanks for the input folks!
We seem have some pretty heavy artillery here doing the crunching!

I get this when I try to run the client on my laptop at work:

Work directory not found. Creating...Could not open work queue, generating new q
ueue...
- Autosending finished units...
- Autosend completed
+ Attempting to get work packet
- Connecting to assignment server
- Could not send request to AS #2
- Successful: assigned to (171.64.122.112).
+ News From Folding@Home: Welcome to 2.0
- Connecting to server (171.64.122.112) on port 80
- Error: Getwork #1 failed, and no other work to do. Waiting before retry

Anyone have any idea what I could try to get this thing to work?
Port 80 is open on the company firewall, but that's about it....

[The JoJo]

I've been reading the Folding forum, and it seems that the port 80 problem is still under development. Hopefully we will see a v3 beta with that ironed out soon...

[The JoJo]

Beta2 is out, dated May 23.

[CougTek]

Where did you saw that? Where can I download it?

[CougTek]

Forget it, I found it (http://folding.stanford.edu/beta3/Win32/Folding@Home3-beta2.EXE).

[The JoJo]

Added a 1.4GHz Athlon to the pack.
The other computers are on 24/7, but not this one. More like 12/7.

[Bartender]

Handruin takes the lead as he pulls away from Bartender. CougTek struggles in third. Clocker is keeping pace with CougTek. Cliptin and The_JoJo struggle as they attempt to keep pace with Clocker. P5-133XL and Prof.Wizard lag behind the pack as they race neck-and-neck. Tea comes bolting out of the gates, passing the perplexed and torpid Sol with ease.

[Clocker]

Single Pentium 3 1Ghz 133 FSB, i810E chipset, 256MB (in an old AT case!)

Dual Athlon XP 1700+ in a Tyan Tiger MPX S2466-4M (w/ fixed USB)

It's weird I'm able to hold my own against Kevin, his setup should be at least 50% faster than mine. Three CPUs vs two. Two Athlon XP 1700+ vs my Athlon XP 1600+ and a 1GHz PIII vs my Athlon 500MHz. There's something wrong, but I'm not the one who'll complain.

Yeah...I'm not sure WTF is going on.... :-(

[Prof.Wizard]

Pant pant... I hope to possess... err, I mean add... the processing power of two ignorant friends of mine. They have some stupid screen savers... 8)

-AMD Duron 1GHz
-AMD Athlon XP 1900+

... currently the first (notebook) is working on the UD for me.

[Prof.Wizard]

Bug bug bug... :evil:
My F@h's client screen has stuck to 4 WUs... But I have already done 6...

Let's hope they fix this crap in v3.

[CougTek]

My stats haven't been updated since early yesterday, although I'm sure that my two main computers are still crunching all the time. I even added another part-time box, but nothing has moved. I believe The_JoJo is experiencing similar problems with his stats.

I don't know what is causing these periodic stats downtimes. First member of our team to seem to have suffered from this was Tea I think.

[P5-133XL]

Clear your browser cache before refreshing - It could be that the old stats are being locally cached and thereby isn't being updated on the screen.

[CougTek]

Nope Mark. That's not the problem. I even used another computer and my stats didn't change. I only hope I'll be credited for all of the WU I did when they finally update my stats.

[Prof.Wizard]

BTW, now it updated (at my local client) but still shows me 5 (from 4) WUs done.

The online results give 6... :(

[Sol]

I've got it on an XP1700+ @ 1681, but like Tea mine spends more time waiting for me to connect to the net so it can get more work than it does actually doing said work. That should change in a couple of weeks when I move out of home and get cable.

[The JoJo]

We're entering the top 500 teams!
Our rank was a minute ago 501.

I've got a friend of mine crunching for us now, using my nick. I think he is using a 1.2GHz Athlon. I hope I can convince him to use a few more computers to help us :) .

[Clocker]

495 at 3AM EST!

[Tea]

To hell with this business of having Southerners and Europeans ahead of me! Look out Chatanooga! Look out Rome! I is a comin' through!

There is a spare a Soltek KT-133A sitting in the corner of my room, which has had 256MB of RAM, a G450, a 17 inch Delta monitor and a PSU attached to it for some time, plus a Duron 600 and an amazingly corroded Quantum Fireball CR which Tannin uses to boot off and do things like access time tests on his mouldy old hard drives. Outside of that, it does nothing at all. And I'm tired of seeing these damn foreigners ahead of me.

http://www.redhill.net.au/jpg/d-fireball-cr-rust.jpg


So tonight I grabbed a Realtek NIC, a cable, a crossover adaptor, and bullied Tannin into lending me his machine and doing me an internet sharing thing.

Oh, and I dropped in a Thunderbird 1333. It's crunching away now.

[Tea]

PS: is there anything special I need to know about getting the two machines to run in harmony?

All I did was copy FAH3Console.exe over to c:\Program Files\Folding@Home and then double clicked on it. It asked me username (Tea), team number (10047), ask before connect (no), something about CPU utilisation I forget (I just pressed enter) and something else about priority 5 - 100 (I said 100).

Will that do it, or do I need to know anything else?

[The JoJo]

That's all the info you need to give, now just crunch on!

Jeez, what have you done with that corroded thing??????? :?:

[Prof.Wizard]

OMG Tea/Tannin, don't get the F@h thing personally!! :lol:

BTW, I'm thrilled. We're in the best 500 teams and keep getting better and better. Imagine if we persuade nrg=mc² to join the team. His Cliptin-class crunching abilities will surely help...

[The JoJo]

My friend seems to have added a few more computers to our effort, hopefully well see some more progress being made with my nick in a few days...

Way to go tea! Get some attitude into this, and while you are at it, some more computers...;)

[Tea]

Soup_Nazi is crunching too, I gather. Expect results from him soon. (Athlon 1200C, DDR board, if I remember correctly.)

[Tea]

Hello, Pradeep is in! Cool!

[Tea]

As for the corroded thing, JoJo, you can read all about it at: http://www.redhill.net.au/d-99.html#cr Quite a drive that one, isn't it. :wink:

[Tea]

487. Hoolie Doolie! Look at that Bartender go!

[The JoJo]

Wow, what a drive...

[Tea]

Whoohoo! Back in front of The Prof, and the second machine hasn't kicked in yet. Dare I hope to challenge The Enigmatic One next?

[Tannin]

No.

[The JoJo]

Rank 474 :)

[Clocker]

PS: is there anything special I need to know about getting the two machines to run in harmony?

All I did was copy FAH3Console.exe over to c:\Program Files\Folding@Home and then double clicked on it. It asked me username (Tea), team number (10047), ask before connect (no), something about CPU utilisation I forget (I just pressed enter) and something else about priority 5 - 100 (I said 100).

Will that do it, or do I need to know anything else?

Tea-

Check the log file on each installation of the program and make sure each as a different USER ID Number. Other than that, you should be all set...

C

[Tea]

Thanks Clocker. Did that, they are different.

[CougTek]

Dare I hope to challenge The Enigmatic One next?
I found the reason of my frozen stats : my damn firewall didn't allow the console to send/ask results. Unfortunately, I've been away from home for the last three days so that's why so many people past me during the weekend. Now, I should be back to my ~15-20 points/day. If you can beat that, you might dare to challenge me. Otherwise, ...

[Bartender]

Wow, we're already ranked number 298.

[CougTek]

My goal is to enter the first 100 teams during the first week of July or before. After that, being among the first 50 by the end of August. I'm sure we'll beat both of these marks.

[Bartender]

Boy, I mis-read that. We're ranked 444, but our units worked was 298, now we're at 301. Sorry about that. Nonetheless, are moving at a steady, but high speed pace, so we could meet your expectations Coug.

[Tea]

P5 is The Enigmatic One, Coug.

[P5-133XL]

P5 is The Enigmatic One, Coug.

I don't feel particularly obscure, and if fact I actually try to be clear in most things. However, I do realize I make an easy target especially to the one dirtectly beneath me.

[CougTek]

P5 is The Enigmatic One, Coug.
Sorry. It's just that I'm often called "the dark one" and similar nicks, so I felt I was the one who was targeted.

[Bartender]

487. Hoolie Doolie! Look at that Bartender go!

Special Kentucky juice keeps 'em going. :mrgrn:

[Clocker]

[joking mode]

Clocker sits back and thinks about how NRG is now finally on a team he can actually compete on (genome) while he (Clocker) lets his actions (and stats) speak for him.....

[/joking mode]

[The JoJo]

We are entering the top 400 teams, our rank is now exactly 400!! :)

[Pradeep]

Hello, Pradeep is in! Cool!

I'm running folding on one cpu and genome on the other. I lost a damn WU cause I had two instances with the same ID number :(

[Prof.Wizard]

WTG Pradeep. Nice seeing you in!
Don't worry about the instances... I'm pretty sure you'll have lots to crunch...

[Tea]

Alllrrriiigggggggttt!!

I've cracked it. We now have TCP/IP networking at the office.

(Who cracked it?)

(Well, you did. Thankyou Tannin.)

As expected, it turned out to be simple enough once you know how. But believe you me, finding out how to use an ECS 1.01 server to provide an internet sharing connection to the two Windows boxen on the office network wasn't easy. It is now , er , 12:30AM and I've been at it ...

(Tea!)

... er .. sorry, Tannin has been at it since 5:15 PM.When you get the security company ringing up on your mobile to ask if you forgot to switch the alarm on, you know it's late. And bloody cold. I hate winter.

Now that I know how to do it, I could set it up on another machine in, oh, about five minutes. I estimate that it's taken me ... er ... sorry, it's taken Tannin maybe 30 or 40 hours to work it out. And some help from Sol.

(Er, by the way, Tannin, why didn't you just ask the local OS/2 expert? A town this size, there is bound to be one.)

(I am the local OS/2 expert, you idiot.)

(Oh. Right. Sorry.)

The trouble isn't lack of documentation, indeed, it's the reverse: Warp/ECS is drowning in bloody documentation, but a great deal of it doesn't apply. Buggered if I know why it is so.

(It's quite simple, little sister: Originally OS/2 had no native networking built into it. For that, there was another product, which began as the joint Microsoft/IBM LAN Server, and later on metamorhosed into Microsoft's NT Advanced Server and IBM's OS/2 LAN Server , which itself became Warp Server - at a cool $1500 bucks a copy or so. You might remember, back in the early days of our office network, that we ran Lantastic for OS/2.)

(No, I don't remember. That was before I was born.)

(Oh yes, of course. Anyway, they realised, rather late in the piece, that network connectivity was a serious selling point: IBM had laughed at Windows for Workgroups, derided it as the pitiful product that it was, and then been very surprised when the average idiot went out and bought it anyway. I mean, real networks used LAN Server, or Netware, none of this whimpy peer to peer stuff. So they decided that they had better stick some networking in for themselves. This was the genesis of Warp Connect - which we duly ran out and bought. Warp's networking component - IBM Peer to Peer Networking, as they called it - was something that came readily to hand for IBM, they simply stripped some of the fancy stuff out of Warp Server and stuck that in.)

(Which is why Windows networks and OS/2 networks are so easy to connect together, yes? Because both products are essentially updated versions of the original IBM/Microsoft LAN Server? Except that Microsoft go and do stupid proprietary extension things to break it from time to time, yes?)

(Pretty much, yeah. Anyway, now comes the tricky bit, and it has to do with the oddities of IBM as an organisation. At the time that Warp Connect came out, IBM were just starting to get their gifted but tiny minds around a concept called "Time to Market". Up until now, they hadn't actually realised that, if it's a good idea, it's actually a good idea to do something practical about it this decade - hell, sometimes you should even aim to get things out of the preliminary commitee stages in the very same year.)

(Wow! Radical!)

(Too right it was radical. Good Lord, they even had people take their suits off and walk around in T-shirts and (ever so neatly pressed) jeans for a while. But you could still smell the suit - some things never wash off. You see, Tea, IBM are very, very clever, and very, very stupid. If IBM was a person, you'd say right away, "this person has severe Aspberger's Syndrome" - very, very good at the really hard things in life, and quite unable to tie his own shoelaces. So when the marketing guys said "we want networking right now" and the management said "yes, give it to them, right away", the engineering types were quite shocked. In fact, they didn't know how to do it, not without breraking all their time honoured rules about very careful testing and getting every last detail right. But they managed: they ripped the main bits out of Warp Server, left out the fancy big-network stuff, and it worked just fine. But when it came to the documentation side of things ... this was too hard.)

(You mean like their pitiful efforts to be trendy and have nice coloured boxes and stuff?)

(Exactly. So they started at both ends and worked towards the middle.)

(And this is why the Warp Peer to Peer documentation is so voluminous and such a weird mix of heavy detail and horrible big-end-of-town jargon on the one hand, and barely-better-than-Microsoft bubby talk on the other?)

(Exactly.)

(But the information is all there isn't it?)

(Well, yes. But the trouble is - and this is he reason we are still here at the office and it's 1:30AM - that they forgot to take out all the Warp Server specific stuff! I've spent hours and hours getting my mind around the correct way to install and configure a DHCP server, for example, only to find that this version of the networking software doesn't bloody have a DHCP server. And followed up about seven other blind alleys as well.)

(But you got it eventually, didn't you.)

(Yup. I'm not even going to bore you with all the various options I examined - you see, I hate networking, I didn't want to become a home-grown bloody expert on TCP/IP, I just wanted to set you up with some connection sharing so as to let you play with that Folding@Home stuff you've got this bug about. And now that I've learned far more about TCP/I bloody P than I ever wanted to know, I have discovered that it's extremely bloody simple, and I could do the second machine in about ten minutes flat, including time for a cuppa.)

(Err, Tannin?)

(Yes?)

(This was supposed to be my post.)

(Oh. Sorry about that. Look, what's say we go home, and you can have the whole damn computer all to yourself for the night?)

(OK. And can we sleep in in the morning and come to work late?)

(Yeah. Let's!)

[CougTek]

And bloody cold. I hate winter.

Pssfff. Whimp. You don't even know what COLD is.

[Tea]

I do know what cold is! Cold is when you go to bed alone and you wake up with two cats ucuddled up to you under the blankets.

Anyway, I now have:

Athlon XP 1800 DDR
Athlon 1333 SDRAM
K6-III/450+ @500

all running.

Tomorow, if I remember to take my NT CD into the office so I can finish installing TCP/IP on the workshop CD burner box, I'll have another K6-III. And, so long as Kristi doesn't go and steal the bits from me to build computers out of, an XP 1900 as well. But that one is just temporary: like the Bartender's ones, it's just spare parts waiting for a buyer.

And there, I'm afraid I'll have to stop: at that point I'll be out of spare sockets in my eight-port switch.

[The JoJo]

I second that ! :D

Great post Tony!

My friend has the client running on a 1.4GHz Athlon, 1.2GHz Athlon and a few slower P3's (dunno exactly what they are). A big help to our effort!

And now that Tony has that ICS thing covered I'm confident we'll get some more units cracked/day on the other side of the world too. ;)

[The JoJo]

I tried to second Cougteks post .....a bit too slow though...:)

[P5-133XL]

I've got it on an XP1700+ @ 1681, but like Tea mine spends more time waiting for me to connect to the net so it can get more work than it does actually doing said work. That should change in a couple of weeks when I move out of home and get cable.

Sol,

Do you realize that your current contributions are not being credited to the SF team?

[James]

And bloody cold. I hate winter.

Pssfff. Whimp. You don't even know what COLD is.
{i]I[/i] do. I lived for six years in Canada, and three and a half in Denmark, and three in Switzerland. But I've never been as cold as when we went to Greenland and went deep inside a mine 500M up a sheer cliff.

[James]

*grumble* What was our policy on allowing people to edit their posts again?

[The JoJo]

Hmmm, third spot for me.

Team rank is 336 at the moment, maybe will be in the top 300 groups tomorrow...? :)

As of a few hours ago, there was still not a new beta version out. So no crunching through firewalls yet for me.

[Prof.Wizard]

Can you all send messages to nrg... it's some 5 days now I try to persuade him join our ranks... :cry:

[Tea]

I detect renewed spurts of activity from P5 and Cougtek: just as well, because I am breathing down their necks now. As soon as I get that fifth machine, an Athlon XP 1900, talking to the network - Mercutio is helping me with that over in this thread: http://www.storageforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8389 - I should be in a position to overtake them once and for all. (I passed Mark for several hours yesterday but he has slipped back in front of me again.)

And look at that Bartender go!

[P5-133XL]

Tea,

I am not spurting the machine generally runs 24x7 but rather 13hr/5 points and less hours for fewer points. Slow and steady seems to be a better description.

I note that as you get more machines up and running, you should easily out distance me and my 1/2 of one machine. Most of my machines are still dedicated to UD but since UD does not deal with dual machines I am running both UD and F@H on that one machine: Each one gets one processor. Thus processing power is not wasted and I have not harmed my efforts on UD in the slightest.

I't is not my fault that everyone here has abandoned UD. I refuse to do the same without good reason such as UD closing its doors. I figure that in 3-4 months I'll be #2 on the SR team. Without a lot more machines, I'll not become #1 because Mholda is generating far more points per day than I am: I'm falling behind rather than catching up.

Note, I started UD in February and have been catching up with everyone elses headstart. Can't think of a really good reason to abandon the quest for #2. For me, abandoning SR for SF because of the people involved is not a good enough reason.

[Tea]

I still have to sort my networking problem out, P5. But we will do that before too long.

Tannin is still doing UD in theory, but only as a screen saver now, and it never seems to get anywhere. We should fiddle with the screen saver settings so that it gets enough time to do at least a little work.

I thought UD was closing? It was announced.

[P5-133XL]

It was reported that it was closing months ago, but it never did.

[Tea]

#326 and Soup Nazi has arrived with a five-pointer. :)

[CougTek]

I added my third 24/7 system yesterday. Still, it won't allow me to resist the five machines setup of Furry Monkey. I repeat it, wouldn't it be of a damn problem with my firewall, I would have some 25-30 points more and that's why you're immediately behind me. I haven't rushed anything since Monday, I just fixed my firewall issue.

[Pradeep]

Ok I give up, it keeps giving me the same frigging user id#, even when I delete config file and reenter the data. Is that normal? Or should there be a diff number for each install.

[Clocker]

If you are doing two installs on the same machine, both cannot be FAH3. Either both hav to be FAH2 or you can use one FAH2 and One FAH3.

THe -local switch is not working but will be fixed in the final version...

C

[Prof.Wizard]

...Most of my machines are still dedicated to UD but since UD does not deal with dual machines I am running both UD and F@H on that one machine: Each one gets one processor. Thus processing power is not wasted and I have not harmed my efforts on UD in the slightest.

I't is not my fault that everyone here has abandoned UD. I refuse to do the same without good reason such as UD closing its doors. I figure that in 3-4 months I'll be #2 on the SR team. Without a lot more machines, I'll not become #1 because Mholda is generating far more points per day than I am: I'm falling behind rather than catching up.

Note, I started UD in February and have been catching up with everyone elses headstart. Can't think of a really good reason to abandon the quest for #2. For me, abandoning SR for SF because of the people involved is not a good enough reason.
This is an example of good thinking.
Don't worry P5 though, you're not alone. It's true I've decreased my activity from full-time to certain days of the week regarding UD, but that doesn't mean I've abandoned it... I've already added the crunching abilities of two other CPUs and -/+10% I should be on the same yield.

I initiated a thread @SR back a month ago, asking who's really in and who's not. Few people have responded. UD should cancel members/devices which not turn in results for a certain amount of time, let's say 2 months. It's pathetic that The Giver hasn't turned in anything yet...

I switched to F@h from UD-think not because I like more SF from SR, but because I believe the second has already a big family and because I'm interested in the Neurological Diseases, the goal of the first project.

PS. Anyone remember that I wanted F@h from the first moment and you finally chose G@h?! :x

[The JoJo]

We're heading for the top 300 teams people, our rank is now 304 !!!

[The JoJo]

...rank 301 :)

37 active processors, way to go team!!!

[The JoJo]

This is from the F@H forum:



To answer several concerns that have popped up on this thread:
1. We agree that port 80 has to be fixed in order to release 3.0; we have been focusing most of our debugging effort on this & we are pretty confident that we are getting closer to a solution.

2. The dual CPU / registry ID problem fix is in the works

3. Autosend's impact on performance is negligible - we've probably spent more time debating it than the combined slowdown of all F@H participants for the next 5 years. icon_smile.gif Its cosmetic effects have been removed & it now checks only once every 6 hours. The boost in productivity from F@H's point of view is huge - we are expecting a large segment of the work that comes back too late to now be returned on time.

There'll be a new beta in the next couple of days which will implement 2 & 3, and hopefully will be better as far as 1 is concerned.


So hopefully I can add a few more computers in the next few days when the firewall issue has hopefully been solved.

This was posted 29.05.02 btw

[Prof.Wizard]

Team ranking 300! 8)

w00t
http://www.storageforum.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/drinka.gif

[Buck]

Team ranking 300! 8)

w00t
http://www.storageforum.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/drinka.gif

Be careful Prof.Wizard, those ME163s were difficult to fly.

[Prof.Wizard]

OMG Buck! :o
How did you figure that out?!

This "missile flea" emblem is amazing... and that bird was pretty cool... :)

(rank 298 fellas...)

[Buck]

Yes, nice jet, but it had an awkward shape. The idea behind the motto: “Wie ein Floh”, was to display the compact, but lethal abilities of this beast (bird has the ring of finesse which the ME163 did not). Although 300 ME163Bs were built, I think there were only 9 confirmed air victories.

[Prof.Wizard]

Yes, nice jet
rocket you mean :wink:

The idea behind the motto: “Wie ein Floh”, was to display the compact, but lethal abilities of this beast
Yep. That's why it will be my Avatar for a while... I'm like a flea too in these forums, hehe... :wink:

Although 300 ME163Bs were built, I think there were only 9 confirmed air victories.
Exactly. :wink:

Your knowledge over the matter suprised me Buck. Way to go!
(even if you were quick to put my signature on Google to see what it was, this shows a man with interests and curiosity...)

[Buck]

Your knowledge over the matter suprised me Buck.

Yes, all of this brain activity has exhausted me. Wie ich immer sag', "Mit Arbeit versaut man sich den ganzen Tag!"

[Clocker]

I JUST PULLED OUT ALL THE STOPS!

Fired up an old Packard Bell P133 with 24MB RAM running Win95 OSR2. The fresh install of Win95 seemed reasonably peppy. That deam 1.2GB Seagate is a dog though! THe 1MB onboard CIrrus Logic video RocKS!

I doubt it can finish a work unit before alloted the time limit for the unit is over (no scientific knowledge gained) but it will still get us some stats (we will still get points even if units are late).

Go Team SF!

Clocker

[Tannin]

I have nothing to say to you, Professor Wizzard.

[The JoJo]

LOL !

Rank 279, and 40 processors! Yihaa!

[The JoJo]

I just fired up the FAh3 BETA on my laptop at work, and it seems to be getting through the firewall!!!

So the team has now 1 more computer (Celeron 600, 256MB) crunching!

Thanks for the heads up Clocker!

[Prof.Wizard]

I JUST PULLED OUT ALL THE STOPS!

Go Team SF!

Guys, are you taking this.. err.. a little bit too personal? :erm:

(I believe if we can keep up with the current result-turning we can move up the ladder still a further bit...)

[Prof.Wizard]

I have nothing to say to you, Professor Wizzard.
Pesticides? :bibber:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[Prof.Wizard]

Wie ich immer sag', "Mit Arbeit versaut man sich den ganzen Tag!"
Genau!
:beer:

[Rocco Siffredi]

OK, I'm on the team now... I actually bothered to uninstall the G@H service and grab the F@H one... lets see now...

[Clocker]

Why the profile change NRG?

Welcome to the SF F@H TEAM!! It is about time, buddy!!!

C

[Tea]

I gather that it's possible to have more than one NIC in a system, indeed commonplace, though I've never done it before.

In my madness to make the top five and overtake Cougtek once and for all, I'm severely handicaped by my lack of a permanant internet connection - I'm not getting a great deal of output per machine. Well, where finesse is not an option. brute force will have to substitute. I plan to keep on adding machines until our Quebecois brother curls up into a little ball and cries uncle.

Bet you he runs out of bits to make protein crunchers before I do.

But I've maxed out my hub:

8 ports: the first three are required to run my business and can't crunch because they don't have an OS/2 client (the first two) and because DOS is not exactly a suitable operating system (#3)

1: Athlon XP 1700 ECS 1.01
2: K6-III 500 OS/2 4.5
3: Pentium 200, DOS 6.3

Now the dual-purpose machines:

4: K6-III 500 Win98SE
5: K6-III 500 NT 4.0

And the dedicated crunchers.

6: Athlon XP 1900, Win 95
7: Athlon XP 1800, Win 98SE
8: Spare slot - I could plug one more in here, and will later on.
9: Another Athlon XP, a 1700 I think. I'm starting to get htem all mixed up.

As I'm about to run out of both room in my hub and 10/100 network cards, the 7th machine has two NICS in it: one standard 10/100, and a Realtek 8029 10MB/sec thing which is there because I have plenty of old coax cables and enough old NICs to press them into service.

My idea is to have the hub full, and as many other machines as seems like a good idea at the time, with the extra machines daisy-chained. But I can't seem to get the dual NIC machine working properly. Is it possible to do what I'm trying to do? Or can't you mix a hub-based star topology with an old-style serial one?

I can get connectivity between #7 and the main part of the LAN (and thus to the internet) or I can get connectivity over the coax to #9, but both at once seems to be a no go.

Any hints?

PS: later on, when I've got everything up and running, I'll start converting the crunchers over to Linux. At least that's the idea.

[Bartender]

I thought that my crunching power was sustaining my position reasonably well. However, I see Jo_Jo approaching at a pretty quick pace. Unfortunately for me, there won't be anymore systems to hook, hopefully some to lose (money in my pocket, you know).

[Mercutio]

No idea why I'm reading this thread but, yes, Tea, you can have multiple NICs in a single machine. Several of my PCs have two already.

Anyway, you're going to have to set up routing on your dual-NIC machine to get the xBaseT to talk to the 10Base2 (coax) that everything else you're going to use. That's *NOT* a job for a 9x box.

Whether the second NIC works, well, you're just going to have to network in another machine to find out, or find a hub or switch with a 10base2 bridge port.

[Clocker]

Tea-

You could put two NICS in each machine, load Win98SE with ICS and daisy chain them all. In that config only one Hub port would be required but more NICS would be used...

C

[CougTek]

So basicly Tea, I'm up against three Athlon XP and two K6-III computers. It will be hard for me to resist, but I'll try anyway. For now, I have : Thunderbird 1.4GHz
Athlon XP 1600+
Athlon "classic" 500MHz

So I should lose soon. We'll see. I might have a few more tricks in my bag...

[CougTek]

Add a P2 333MHz to the list above.

[Tea]

OK, it sounds as if, from Mercutio's post, that I'm going to struggle to get the bridge machine to work. (As I said above, I've made it talk to the hub, and I've made it talk to another machine over coax, but not been able to make it talk to both at the same time.

So, if I'm going to have to set up routing, what's the easiest way to do it? These extra machines are like the Bartender's - spare machines waiting for a buyer, and there is no reason I can't run any OS I please on them. (OK, I prefer not to use W2K as I don't have a spare license for it, and I utterly refuse to consider XP - but aside from that.)

What about Linux? I have a recent Mandrake to hand. Or, for that matter, I could use an OS/2 box as the bridge machine - it won't crunch proteins, of course, but it would not be difficult to slip an extra NIC into one of the office machines, which run 24/7 anyway.

I'll do whatever is the easiest.

Perhaps the best place to start would be with some background reading: can you recommend a suitable on-line reference, Mercutio?

[Tea]

But Coug - what sort of web connection do you have? My multiplicity of machines spend most of their time waiting for a web connection.

[Tea]

Oh, and I forgot to mention the other two machines, which are here at home: an XP 1800 and a Thunderbird 1333. Essentially, they do one or two work units a day each: when I get home they are waiting for a connection, and when I get up in the morning, they are waiting for a connection again.

Honestly, Folding@Home's arrangements for dial-in users are terrible.

[The JoJo]

I just built a server for a small company. It's a Athlon XP1700, 512MB, A7v266-e, 4*80GB on the motherboard raid controller (which sucks, I can't get it to mirror the 4 drives (damm promise)), etc...


I just put F@H on it to check that it's stable. Had to unplug my girlfriends P2 333MHz, because I didn't have a cable to connect the machine to the adsl-router-hub.

[CougTek]

The Athlon XP and Athlon classic are both connected to a cable modem through a firewall cable/DSL router. The Thunderbird uses a DSL internet connection and the P2 333MHz is plugged on a LAN network ultimately connected to an OC-something internet connection.

I forget to mentionthat I also use a PIII-733MHz (running maybe 10-15hours a week) that is on cable modem too.

AFAIK, none of my machines are waiting for connection at any time.

[Buck]

Interesting setup, it seems that some are more complex then others.

Since I run a NT Domain, I've setup a Netopia Router which connects my LAN to the cable modem. The Netopia Router has a built in 8-port switch which branches off directly to my PDC (Primary Domain Controller), my workstation, and my print server. Then, I have a wireless access point hooked up to my router for a notebook system that roams around the house. Finally, I have a 8-port hub that connects to my router and supports all of the other systems that are in my shop.

I've tried to make my LAN as less complicated as possible. This way, I can plug in a new system, set the network settings to accept everything DHCP (including DNS) and I'm up in no time. Plus, when the system leaves my shop, it is easy to unconfigure it. I just need to delete the network settings and change the login from Domain to Workgroup and create some local Workgroup name for the customer.

Not only does this work well for new systems, but when customers bring systems in, I can easily configure their system to get on the internet and my Domain. This way, I can back data up, or download drivers/updates and whatever else. Most customers that have Cable and DSL already have their systems set to DHCP and Dynamic DNS, so all I need to do is record their host and domain name, and then change it to my domain temporarily (if necessary).

With the addition of my 8-port KVM switch (which has filled up quickly), I also don't need customers to bring in their keyboard, mouse, or monitor. Not to mention, I always have extra of those peripherals.

[Clocker]

My Father-in-Law's BX Celeron 950Mhz (384MB, WinXP) machine is connected to a cable modem (Comcast) and is on about 8 hours per day.

My dad's KT133 700Mhz Athlon Classic (128MB, Win98) machine is on about 8 hours per day. He's also on cable (Comcast)

My Tiger MPX Dual AthlonXP 1700 (512MB, WinXP) box as well as my P3 1GHZ (256MB) basement system are connected to my cable/dsl router which is connected to my cable modem. (WideOpenWest) Both run 24/7.

The pee-wee P133 with 24MB RAM & Win95 is using ICS from the P3 machine to get it's connection to the net (not that it has to access the net that often to upload results!! :-) This bad boy also runs 24/7 (I think...I don't have a monitor attached).

Keep crunching team. Recruit your friends and family!

C

[Rocco Siffredi]

Why the profile change NRG?

Change of profile?

[Clocker]

Why the profile change NRG?

Change of profile?

Why did you change to Rocco Siffredi??

[Rocco Siffredi]

I just don't remember my original password any more and can't be bothered to change back. At some point I might push the button to get a password reminder sent off :P

[CougTek]

It's unfortunate that we don't see teams and users ranking past the 100th spot. I liked it, back in the early Genome@home days, to see us trampling some 30 teams a day. I miss that.

Fortunately, I won't miss that for very long, as we should enter the top 100 in less than three weeks, if not just two. Still...none of us will be among the top 100 users for quite a while.

P.S. I finally entered the top 10000 users. Only two other zeros to shave ;-)

[Prof.Wizard]

Anyone noticed that nrg joined in? 8)

[Mercutio]

Tea - setting up NAT (network address translation; ICS done right) on a Linux box is as easy as editing a couple of files. Setting up routing isn't hard, either. When you get around to playing with Linux on your gateway machine. Either way, there's tons of stuff on google about doing it.

[The JoJo]

Number 1... :D

[Tea]

Congratulations, JoJo!

I too have the urge to play with the big boys up at the top end of the table. Hence my little production line (excuse crappy photo, I'm tired):

http://www.redhill.net.au/sf/prodline.jpg

From right to left:

The DOS box: a Pentium 200 at present
The Burner box: K6-III/500 running NT and crunching in its own sweet time
Athlon XP 1900
Athlon XP 1800
Athlon XP 1700
Athlon XP 1800 (more or less finished)
Athlon 1400 (crunching but yet to have its CD drive removed)

There is another machine under construction, just out of shot to the left, a Duron 600 (because I want to test the various second-hand bits it is made from and it should make the XPs look good)..

Alas, though I have the parts to make another couple of dozen machines (well, I would have if I scrounged some more network cards, which is easy enough) I'm running out of space.

The coloured dots are labels with the machine log-on name and TCP/IP address on them

I solved the network problem (not enough slots in my hub) by simply hot-plugging a very long network cable - they only need to be connected to download and send results, after all, and it's no use having them on the LAN if the LAN is not connected to the web.

Alas, though I daresay this should be the most powerful collection of crunchers on the team, they spend a hell of a lot of time just waiting for me to give them an internet connection, so I'm probably getting ~50 to ~60% utilisation out of them at best.

I'm hoping that by running two copies of the software on each machine I can improve the efficiency a little.

Well done JoJo!

[Clocker]

How do you run the proggy on a DOS box?

[Handruin]

I'm going to have to get my act together and buy my second machine. I have a ton of WU's, but my score is pathetic. :roll:

[Tea]

Easy: I don't. :)

I just mentioned that one because it was in the picture.

But there is another K6-III/500 in the back office that crunches (sitting alongside the XP 1700 main server that doesn't because it runs OS/2), and two more machines at home: XP 1800 and Thunderbird 1333.

Come to think of it, I have an oversupply of XP chips at the moment, I might as well take one home and juice up the 1333 a bit.

[The JoJo]

Thank you Tea!

You have a mighty arsenal yourself there crunching for us!

My systems at the moment:

Athlon XP 1800 1533@1633MHz
Athlon XP 1700
Celeron 500
Athlon 1400MHz
Celeron 600
Athlon 1200MHz
P3 733MHz
P3 666MHz
Athlon 1400Mhz
P2 333MHz
2-3 other computers running at my friends place


Way to go team Storageforum_net !!!

[Clocker]

Damn!!! Nice job you guys!!

Now I feel very inadequate and underpowered!!

[CougTek]

Damn!!! Nice job you guys!!

Now I feel very inadequate and underpowered!!
You too?

I thought I was pretty good with my four computers. Now I feel I'm gonna have to buy a whole rackmount full of 1U enclosures, each one of them hosting a dual-Athlon MP setup in order to simply remain competitive.

It's not for now, but I know where I'll spend the next 50K$ loose I'll have ;-)

[Prof.Wizard]

Would it be unlawful to install the client to ALL the computers of my university? :diablo:

The "La Sapienza" University of Rome is the largest university of Europe and the second in the world after that of Cairo...
Some 140000+ students last time I checked... Imagine how many PCs (even if most old Pentium II-class)...

I remember there was an issue 3-4 years ago with an American who did the same with encryption software and served some time... :roll:

[Pradeep]

Whats the worst that can happen? Exclusion from Uni / large fine? On the other hand the massive glory of being num 1 on SF.net team. Do it Prof, you know you wanna ;)

[The JoJo]

On the other hand the massive glory of being num 1 on SF.net team.

I can feel the massive glory !!!

So this is what it feels like...Hmmm, how am I now supposed to act when people want to give me fast cars, and women throw themselves in my lap? ;)

[Prof.Wizard]

Whats the worst that can happen? Exclusion from Uni / large fine?
Sure. Nothing to worry... :lol:

On the other hand the massive glory of being num 1 on SF.net team. Do it Prof, you know you wanna ;)
We'll be n.1 us a team! :D
But... hey, wait a minute! Screw you: I'll start my own team. Wizard's Uni. :wink:

[Tea]

The JoJo says: "How am I now supposed to act when people want to give me fast cars, and women throw themselves in my lap?"

Very surprised. :-?

[CougTek]

That damn monkey took advantage of the time I was sleeping to finally pass me once and for all.

Oh well, I'll be on Doug in less than a week at my current pace. That's the highest I will climb though, the four other freaks are all crunching faster than I do.

BTW, what happened to Cliptin? He hasn't visited much these last few days and his stats haven't bugged in a while. Cliptin, if you were waiting someone to notice your absence then it's done, come back.

[Tannin]

I think he is on holiday. Though, being from the wrong side of the pond and in consequence a little linguistically challenged, he would no doubt refer to it as a "vacation".

Tea, is pleased to have finally vanquished a redoubtable opponent. She has been walking around the house all night - well, she calls it "walking" - saying "Ha! Take that you ... you ... you human!" She seems to think that anyone whose knuckles don't make contact with terra firma during normal ambulation is sub-simian, and probably follicularly challenged too.

[Pradeep]

Well I sent back 4 or 5 units without any credit in the stats so I'm going back to genome till it's sorted out.

[Rocco Siffredi]

OK, this is pathetic, I shall now ask my flatmate to run Folding for £10 a day on his celeron 1.2. This is dumb. I have no network cable for the P3 system so it remains inactive. Actually it still has the old genome program.

[Pradeep]

10 pounds a day? Want to lease my cpus?

[CougTek]

...and probably follicularly challenged too.
Why do you feel you have to use such complicated vocabulary when you are addressing a reply to me? This word is not even in my dictionary and I bet half the native english speaker don't have a clue what it means..

[Pradeep]

follicle as in hair follicle ;)

[GIANT]

...and probably follicularly challenged too.

Why do you feel you have to use such complicated vocabulary when you are addressing a reply to me? This word is not even in my dictionary and I bet half the native english speaker don't have a clue what it means..

That would probably be an obfuscation for the word bald.

follicle + ly

-ly = Like; having the characteristics of...

Besides, I would have used a different spelling: follicly.

[CougTek]

Gary's probably right about follicularly, but I.ll wait for Tony's definition.

On another subject, do you guys what makes me happy?

No? It's seeing at a F@h team with 50 active members that don't even produce more than 75% of what we do (http://www.statsman.org/folding2stats/html/3007.html) :mrgrn:

[Tannin]

Why do you feel you have to use such complicated vocabulary when you are addressing a reply to me? This word is not even in my dictionary and I bet half the native english speaker don't have a clue what it means..

Because I know that you will take the trouble to look it up. :) My always suspect spelling must give you a lot of trouble! Giant is right, as Gary's monikers usually are.

[Handruin]

Gary's probably right about follicularly, but I.ll wait for Tony's definition.

On another subject, do you guys what makes me happy?

No? It's seeing at a F@h team with 50 active members that don't even produce more than 75% of what we do (http://www.statsman.org/folding2stats/html/3007.html) :mrgrn:

That also makes me happy. That is sad how little 50 team members produce. I wonder if it's 3 guys with 16 instances running on one machine. :mrgrn:

[Rocco Siffredi]

10 pounds a day? Want to lease my cpus?

Depends. What CPUs are they? How can we go about payment :?:

[CougTek]

Oh, that's a cheap shot Doug. Don't forget that 50 usual users don't always have bleading edge computers and they don't let their machines run 24/7 like we do. Besides, although we are only 11 active members, we probably have more active CPUs than they have too.

[CougTek]

Can someone explain me why I put an "a" in bleeding above? Damn stupid finger, I'll have to punish it once again.

(going to his tool kit for the hammer...)

[Handruin]

Oh, that's a cheap shot Doug. Don't forget that 50 usual users don't always have bleading edge computers and they don't let their machines run 24/7 like we do. Besides, although we are only 11 active members, we probably have more active CPUs than they have too.

Yeah, I guess it is mean, we are techo-snobs over here. :) Since we have a great interest in computers, we are destined to have high performance computers crunching 24x7.

Don't punish the finger too bad, you might need it to pick your nose at some point. :clown:

[Tannin]

Handruin, that's not fair. You know perfectly well that those guys are doing dammed well considering their slow, outdated hardware. Hey, if we were to put ourselves on an equal footing with them, CPU-wise. we would all have to dig our Pentium IIs out of the spare parts bin to match it with the Mac users' best and latest PowerPC chips.

(Tannin! Stop that at once!)

(Sorry.)

[Tannin]

I've just been looking at the way it can be seen from the other side of the fence. Go here - http://www.statsman.org/folding2stats/html/324.html - for example. This team is a few places in front of us, cruising along nicely, and then all of a sudden - WOOSH! - there goes Team StorageForum.net. One minute your mirror is clear and you're lone on the road, the next there is an 18-wheeler flying past six inches away.

(The link will no longer illustrate this in another day or so, of course.)

It will happen to us one day - just when we are feeliong cocky about ourselves, no doubt.

The main challenge over the next little while will be these guys: http://www.statsman.org/folding2stats/html/1630.html - plafond-9.com Folding@Home Team - Indonesia, currently #204 on the Statsman chart, are crunching over 500 units a day and swallowing up the teams above them at a great rate. We should catch them by the morning though.

[P5-133XL]

The main challenge over the next little while will be these guys: http://www.statsman.org/folding2stats/html/1630.html - plafond-9.com Folding@Home Team - Indonesia, currently #204 on the Statsman chart, are crunching over 500 units a day and swallowing up the teams above them at a great rate. We should catch them by the morning though.

Try 500 points per week or 75 points per day vs out 900 points per week/128 points per day. You are correct that they should be in our rear-view mirror shortly: We are producing 50% more than them.

[CougTek]

Try 500 points per week or 75 points per day vs out 900 points per week/128 points per day. You are correct that they should be in our rear-view mirror shortly: We are producing 50% more than them.
In fact Mark, we are even more productive than that. It hasn't been a full week since some of us significantly increased their pace by adding more systems. Our current beat is about 1000+ points per week so we do not outclass them by 50%, we outclass them by 100%.

[Dr. Willy]

Gibt es any engineering program out there? I was wondering if everything in distributed computing goes around biomedical programs.
Can somebody provide a link with all available meta-computing projects out there?

[Bartender]

Herr Messerschmitt (Willi Emil Messerschmitt, as you’re rightly named), your influence on aviation and World War II in general are great, albeit misused by Hitler, but later less abused when used by the United States Air Force and Rockwell for the X-31 project. You were/are an accomplished pilot, especially considering that you became one at age 14. You started the company BFW (Bayerisch Flugzeigwerker), later renamed Messerschmitt AG, and again renamed (after you were found guilty of profiteering and slave labor) Messerschmitt Bolkow-Blohm GMBH. But, you are still Bavarian! :mrgrn:

[Dr. Willy]

Das ist wahr!
Then, after my company helped build the European Tornado fighter-bomber it was bought by Daimler-Benz AG which was later fused with other (British, French, and Spanish) companies to create the pan-European EADS.

Ja ja, ich bin omnipotent! 8)


PS. Oh, and, er... let's forget this thing about slave labor :oops:
Politics apart, my machines were great. I was only helping my country TO CONQUER YOU ALL afterall.

[Tea]

#195 and counting. We should appear in the rear-view mirror of plafond-9.com Folding@Home Team - Indonesia any time now.

In fact, within the hour: I just connected my two home machines up - sent in three results - and when I get to the office I'll walk around my crunching farm with a network cable and send in, oh, maybe 8 or 10 completed folds.

Guys, we are cookin!

[Tea]

Well, so much for that: when I check the Stanford stats (i.e., not Statsman, because Statsman lags about an hour) we are already past them: we are at #192 and they are #196. The next challenge is Team Austech Info:



the ultimate in online technology information based forums, it is the premier technology and information based forum in Australia. The Austech.Info website is also the new home (yet another ) of the former CD Copy World.

The Austech.Info website is currently attracting more than half a million individual page views a month from users in Australia and all around the world and it's growing very fast. Infact we average over 50 new users a day.


They have their folding team on the front page and are crunching at ~700 points a week. (Err, I think I've got my days and weeks right this time, P5. Today is Friday, right?)

Right now they are at # 179. We can catch them though: we are sitting on 900 points per week and still improving.

[Cliptin]

When I left I had all of my machines crunching. When I returned 11 days later I found that my apt had suffered a power failure and none of my machines had crunched anything for a week.

My machines are back up now but I've been futzing about with settings and BSODs so I don't have a good feel for what my own weekly output will be. I don't even know what my standard dailey output is.

I can gaurantee that it will be more than NGR. Put up boy.

[Clocker]

We need Andy's dual Athlon MPs crunching for the team. Where has he been, anyways??
C

[Tea]

Who is NGR?

[Handruin]

Who is NGR?

One of our valued members, but spelled wrong. :)

http://www.storageforum.net/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=11

[Cliptin]

Who is NGR?

Pardon me your majesty. I dare not deign to the realm of the queen of typos.

[The JoJo]

Statsman still show that we are at 194...grumble....me not like statsman...

We seem to be doing very well, good work!

[Clocker]

Dammit! My ISP must have gone down for a few hours last night. Handruin has managed to pull ahead of me. It is uncanny how evenly we track together when all is well....

Must figure out way to crunch faster....faster...must figure out way to crunch....faster... Hmmmm maybe I can build an army of 486s for cheap to give me the edge? Well, eventually, my P133 will turn in a work unit....

C

[Dr. Willy]

Maybe I can help you Herr Professor Clocker,

I have connections with the highest members of the German goverment. We will be schnell to invest on your little project. But we will need some information, in exchange. :twistd:
Hmm, let's say about your nuclear weapons.

Also, sind Sie interessiert?

[Clocker]

Traurig... verkaufte ich meine letzte schmutzige Bombe auf eBay letzter Woche...

Clocker

[CougTek]

Please gentlemen. My german is kinda rusty. I would rather not have to copy / paste a bunch of posts on babelfish in order to follow the discussion. If I start to post in French, PeeWee in Greek/Italian, Buck & Dr. Willie in German and others in different languages, nobody will understand anything to the overall message.

French is fine for Québec, German is fine in Germany, but English has to be used in international forums until another language takes over the world (which I doubt, English is soo damn easy to learn compared to everything else that simple/lazy spirits would never follow if something else tries to overtake it).

[Tannin]

Geez ya bastards, strike me pink if youse ain't getting your knickers in a knot over sweet FA. Struth! Owdya cope if me and me mate Pradeep posted in Strine? Youse'd be flat out like a lizzard drinking tryna pour a drop of that down Babelfish. I reckon youse'd ave two bloody chances.

Anyway, aveagoodweekend.

[CougTek]

And with all our recently-added crunching power, only three teams are more productive than us up to the 40th position so the up coming month should be an easy ride in the park for us.

We are now the 32nd most productive team overall, a nice improvement over our 39th rank of last week. I would be surprised if we climb the ladder a lot more on the short term though. Our top crunching members seem to have maxed out for now. Still, we have nothing to be ashamed of.

[CougTek]

Owdya cope if me and me mate Pradeep posted in Strine?We would still cope fine Tannin, although I admit it needs extra decoding time to understand.

[Tea]

Dammit! My ISP must have gone down for a few hours last night. Handruin has managed to pull ahead of me.

Clocker - it ain't Handruin you mostly have to worry about. :bibber:

[Clocker]

Dammit! My ISP must have gone down for a few hours last night. Handruin has managed to pull ahead of me.

Clocker - it ain't Handruin you mostly have to worry about. :bibber:

I've already accepted the fact that you will be blowing by me, Tea. You're in a totally different weight class than I (Not to say you're at all fat, my dear). My reasonable expectation is to catch or stay even with Handruin.....

[Tea]

Very gracefully put, Clocker. Provided that our friend the Bartender does not put on another sudden spurt, I'm mostly wondering if I can dare to aim at the astonishingly productive JoJo. He's still out-crunching me at present; so I'm getting further away, not even level-pegging.

I need more machines!

[Clocker]

Very gracefully put, Clocker. Provided that our friend the Bartender does not put on another sudden spurt, I'm mostly wondering if I can dare to aim at the astonishingly productive JoJo. He's still out-crunching me at present; so I'm getting further away, not even level-pegging.

I need more machines!

I have two Athlons and a P3 that may convert if the price is right.... :-)

[Buck]

I don't expect that the Bartender will be crunching units any faster, as a matter of fact, I think things might slow down. But that is OK, we have a fantastic team with excellent contributions from many members.

[Cliptin]

Very gracefully put, Clocker. Provided that our friend the Bartender does not put on another sudden spurt, I'm mostly wondering if I can dare to aim at the astonishingly productive JoJo. He's still out-crunching me at present; so I'm getting further away, not even level-pegging.

I need more machines!

And he is doing it with three fewer processors turning in results on a weekly basis (15/18). Maybe you should mothball the K6s and upgrade.

Can you you setup your net connection (office and home) to dial-on-demand and then drop the the connection after a certain length of inactivity.

[Tea]

Can you you setup your net connection (office and home) to dial-on-demand and then drop the the connection after a certain length of inactivity.

Oh yes. Easily. It would take me about two minutes. But the phone bills would destroy me! Roughly $60 a month extra.

[Tannin]

For some reason, phpBB won't let Tea post. This, in my opinion, is a very good thing. She ge's the "you can't make another post so soon" error message even though she hasn't posted anything in this session yet.)

But she asked me to post the following on her behalf:

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I'm still experimenting, Clocker, trying to find the best method. At present I am leaning toward having either 3 or 4 processes on each machine of Athlon 1200 class or better, two for, say, a Duron 750 or a P-III, and just the one on the K6-IIIs (which make very little contribution anyway).

I'm just letting the processes run continually. I have no idea what overheads are involved in the task-switching. Am I loosing efficiency by having copy #1 switch to copy #2 to #3 and back all the time? In the end, it doesn't matter: if I run a single process on a fast machine, it will have finished long before it gets a net connection again, and the efficiency loss there is huge.

At home (two machines) I connect twice a day - morning and evening. At work, I'm usually connected more-or-less all day from 11ish till 5 or 6. (Except weekends.) Sometimes (like today) I stay late and have tea at the office, which means the office machines get an extra connect-time bonus, but the home machines (of course) suffer instead.

How are the others among us who are on dial-up coping with F@H?

Any hints, tips or strategies to share?

[Tea]

Oh, and on the K6-IIIs, Clippy, they are working machines that would be on anyway, and for their real tasks, they are ideally suited. I'm not going to mess up a perfectly good office network in order to crunch more proteins. Just add Athlons made up out of spare parts.

I'm working on getting more productivity out of my machines by running multiple copies, but the stupid Folding@Home program is hopeless if you don't have a permanent web connection.

[Tannin]

Something really weird is going on! Tea posted that one about K6-IIIs, then we locked up the shop and came home.

Then Clocker replied.

Then we got home, fed the cats, and logged on. After a little while doing odds and ends - upload some proteins, check mail, send rude message to The Prof on ICQ - Tea tried to post her reply to Clocker. This was maybe a half hour after posting her original message.

Then she couldn't post so I cut and pasted it in under my name.

And now, my message appears above hers - whic was posted a half-hour earlier!

Where will this one appear?

[Tannin]

Something is wrong with the clock on the server, I think. Hello? Burst.net?

[Buck]

Yes, anomalies are happening for me too. None of the threads are showing up as read after I've read them or clicked on Mark All Forums Read. When I switch logins and browsers, the same problem occurs.

[Buck]

WOAH! Clockers post was present before I just posted my reply, why was his post pushed to the end of the line? Mine previous post should be last.

[Clocker]

Oh, and on the K6-IIIs, Clippy, they are working machines that would be on anyway, and for their real tasks, they are ideally suited. I'm not going to mess up a perfectly good office network in order to crunch more proteins. Just add Athlons made up out of spare parts.

I'm working on getting more productivity out of my machines by running multiple copies, but the stupid Folding@Home program is hopeless if you don't have a permanent web connection.

Are you launcing a second process when the first first is about 1/2 done? That seems like it would do the trick as you would probably always be crunching. How often do you connect??

C

[CougTek]

I need more machines!

I have two Athlons and a P3 that may convert if the price is right.... :-)
And I thought everyone was as sick as I am of all those company mergers...
Now even our team will be plaggued.

[Rocco Siffredi]

Just start two processes, set one to idle priority and the other to normal/high. The idle one will do nothing till the medium/high one is finished. Then it will start.

[Handruin]

This is a test:

This post should be one hour behind per a few weeks ago I noticed the clock was off by one hour. This post should read:

18:14, when it is actually 19:14 because of day light savings.

[Handruin]

This is a test:

This post should be one hour behind per a few weeks ago I noticed the clock was off by one hour. This post should read:

18:14, when it is actually 19:14 because of day light savings.


OK so it appears to be 2 hours wrong now. I logged into the server via SSH and typed in "date"

Tue Jun 4 18:18:53 EDT 2002

I think they played with the clock... it is one hour behind my clock here. The server time was always the same as my clock here. This is strange...I'll go complain now.

[Handruin]

This is a test:

This post should be one hour behind per a few weeks ago I noticed the clock was off by one hour. This post should read:

18:14, when it is actually 19:14 because of day light savings.


OK so it appears to be 2 hours wrong now. I logged into the server via SSH and typed in "date"

Tue Jun 4 18:18:53 EDT 2002

I think they played with the clock... it is one hour behind my clock here. The server time was always the same as my clock here. This is strange...I'll go complain now.

Test:

This should be 1 hour behind now. making the time of post 18:25 ish

[Handruin]

I've gone into my terminal and typed:

SET TZ=EST5EDT

This has put the clock back to where it was earlier this week, and for the past few weeks. I don't know the correct way to handle this because of daylight savings. Should I adjust the clock so that it changes to -4 GMT which I believe would correct the time, or do I leave it as is basing the time where others don't have day light savings?

To show my ignorance, does everyone use day light savings, or is it only an east coast USA thing?

[Buck]

It's more then an East Coast thing, although not all states participate. Additionally, Europe participates in this time warp.

[Tea]

The whole of Australia does daylight saving. Except Queensland, where they are temporally challanged. (Translation just for Coug, because his dictionary is getting worn out: still in the wrong century.)

[CougTek]

...where they are temporally challanged. (Translation just for Coug, because his dictionary is getting worn out: still in the wrong century.)
Nice translation indeed ;-)

[CougTek]

Hmmm...I just lost 45 minutes because the stupid client wasn't able to connect to the port 8080 of their server. :-?

I hope the client 3.0 final will be released soon and that it will fix these kind of bugs if bug it is.

[Clocker]

Some of the problems are with their servers too....not jus the client. Just and FYI...

C

[Clocker]

Eghad I'm tired.

[Pradeep]

The whole of Australia does daylight saving. Except Queensland, where they are temporally challanged. (Translation just for Coug, because his dictionary is getting worn out: still in the wrong century.)

It's so the cows don't get confused....

[Cliptin]

The whole of Australia does daylight saving. Except Queensland, where they are temporally challanged. (Translation just for Coug, because his dictionary is getting worn out: still in the wrong century.)

It's so the cows don't get confused....

Same in Indiana..

[Tea]

(Tannin? Is it considered bad form to draw attention to one's own progress?)

(Yes.)

(Oh.)

A silent pause follows. Tea is sitting hunched forward with her chin resting on one lightly clenched fist - a posture inspired, no doubt, by excessive exposure to Auguste Rodan as a child. Tannin is making the tea.

(But couldn't I just ... )

(No.)

Tea breaks her thoughtful pose to pick up the cup Tannin has put before her.

(Not even ... )

(No!)

(sigh)

[The JoJo]

Rock on T!

I can run but I can't hide, right ;) . I'll be watching my back...

[Tea]

You got it J!

Team rank #173 and counting........

Top 100 here we come.

[James]

A silent pause follows.

Can you have any other type of pause?


Tea is sitting hunched forward with her chin resting on one lightly clenched fist - a posture inspired, no doubt, by excessive exposure to Auguste Rodan as a child.

Who's he? And why was Tea exposing herself to him when he was a child?

That ape has no shame.

[Tea]

I thought the spelling looked funny too, James, so I looked it up on Google before I posted. Maybe I looked up a site that had his name spelt wrong.

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/catdept/images/thinker.gif

[James]

I think you did.

For example:
http://www.paris.org/Musees/Rodin/

Bloody good museum BTW if you get a chance to go, and the house and gardens are spectacular.

http://www.paris.org/Musees/Rodin/gifs/thinker.gif

[Prof.Wizard]

Yeah, the "thinking man" ("ï óêåðôüìåíïò áíÞñ").

They once did a temporary exhibition (exchange with the Paris museum) here in Rome and the sculptures were indeed spectacular. Especially the "kissing couple"...

Oh, and I had the opportunity to visit the biggest Rodin collection out of France, in Stanford, California, last August. They were absolutely great!

PS. I was once even considering to have the thinking man for Avatar. Pretty cool.

[CougTek]

I downloaded the beta3 client for Linux, but when I activate it, it doesn't ask me to configure it. Plus, I don't see the console running anywhere. I'm in the mist.

Where are we supposed to put the client on a Linux system and how do we configure it? I saved the client on the desktop background (KDE) instead of putting it in the /root directory. Is it ok?

BTW, I know it isn't safe to always login as root, but it's only a test system so I don't really care about the security.

[The JoJo]

I just downloaded the client into a folder, made it executable and ran it.

Tea on second place, congrats :) !

Crunch on team!

[CougTek]

I just downloaded the client into a folder, made it executable and ran it.

What do you mean by "made it executable"?

[Clocker]

Anybody haveing trouble downloading work or sending in results? My machine has been idle for a few hours at least waiting to get more work....

C

[CougTek]

Forget it JoJo, I found that page (http://folding.stanford.edu/linux.html) and now I know what you meant. The client is running fine now on my Linux box :D

I cannot get a WU from their server though. I guess it's not just Clocker who is having trouble to communicate with them.

[Clocker]

Coug-

Was it recently that you downloaded a WU using teh Linux client? So the Linux F@H servers are working?

C

[Tea]

Second place :) and getting further and further behind JoJo :( He da man! :wink: In hitting 300, JoJo has regained his 100 point break on me and now pulled out an extra 15 points.

Team in 164th place and cookin! :)

I need more machines! :cry:

[Tea]

Excuse me - I mean 400, of course. (See my sig.)

[CougTek]

Was it recently that you downloaded a WU using teh Linux client? So the Linux F@H servers are working?

No Clocker, I could not even download a WU from my linux box at the time I wrote that. I wrote that the client was working fine because I knew my computer had no problem to connect to the web and the client acted like it normally does under Winblows. Fortunately, everything seems to be back to normal now.

I don't think their server makes a distinction between the linux and winblows clients BTW.

I had to disable the screensaver of KDE because in a whole hour, my system only achieved 1/100th of a step on a #127 WU while it generally does 1/100th in about 12 minutes. I'm checking the crunching performance right now. I hope it won't differ from the one on Winblows 2K (in a negative way) or else I'll have to come back to the Satanic OS in order to remain competitive.

[Clocker]

I've read that the Linux version is the slowest version of the core (due to some compiling issues) . Of course, GROMACS is about to be released in the Linux version (first) so hopefully the promised speed increases are there...

C

[Buck]

Update

You can take a few systems off my crunching list. Presently, all I have is a PIII 933, PIII 667, and a PIII 1.2Ghz.

[CougTek]

After messing for a while with Linux, I rebooted because the FAHconsole was performing lamely. My plan was to return to the Win2K OS that is (was, actually) also installed on that system. Problem is : Red Hat fubared the MBR and now the system freeze when I tell it to boot on the "DOS" partition (Linux cannot apparently make the difference between NTFS and DOS) and my only realistic choice is to stay on Linux.

So, after a clean boot, FAHConsole with nothing else opened to clutter the memory now performs at ~80% of the speed of the Windows' Console. Nothing impressive, but it's better than it was after I installed a bunch of programs and open/closed a lot of applications on the previous session. What took 12 minutes on Win2K now takes 15, but it's way better than the 40 minutes it took before rebooting. At least this isn't my main box so my total daily production shouldn't be too affected.

[CougTek]

I've read that the Linux version is the slowest version of the core (due to some compiling issues) . Of course, GROMACS is about to be released in the Linux version (first) so hopefully the promised speed increases are there...

Ahhh...So maybe that's why. Thanks for sharing this info.


Buck,

I noticed I was coming back on you steadily during the last few days. I don't know how much time you have before I reach you. I might have the time to pass either Clocker or Handruin in the meanwhile as I'm slightly over-producing them currently.

[Buck]

Buck,

I noticed I was coming back on you steadily during the last few days. I don't know how much time you have before I reach you. I might have the time to pass either Clocker or Handruin in the meanwhile as I'm slightly over-producing them currently.

Go for it Coug, I'll even pull over to let you pass.

[Buck]

In a whirlwind of clearly identifiable speed, I have passed Handruin at Genome@Home. :D

[Rocco Siffredi]

Argh this sucks. I switched off Genome last night to do some benchmarking, forgot to turn it back on, and went to bed. 8 hours lost :cry:

[Tea]

Right, this is it kids. Over the top!

Kristi and Tannin will gang up and kill me if I don't let them have at least a little bit of the workshop back on Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) but in the meantime I have assembled a mighty arsenal with which to punish JoJo.

(Tea!)

Er... Sorry, "with which to serve my fellow ... er ... primates of the insuficiently haired variety, and increase Team Storage Forum's score", I meant to say.

(That's better.)

Um, about the arsenal. Thanks to Sol's kind offer to lend me an extra hub, I now have, um ... (counts on fingers) ...

4 Athlon XP 1900
3 Athlon XP 1800
1Thunderbird 1400C
1Thunderbird 1333
1Thunderbird 1000A
1 Pentium III 666
1 Duron 600
2 K6-III 500

Alas, they are all still on dial-up, so I'm only getting about 50% efficiency from them, but (as you humans say) when finesse is lacking, brute force must suffice.

And why is Monday a holiday? It's the Queen's Birthday.An absolutely absurd idea, actually. (a) She is the Queen of England and hasn't got much at all to do with Australia, (b) Tannin, Kristi and I are all republicans (Michael and David, being part-timers don't get a vote), and (c) it's not her birthday anyway.

So, naturally, we will all ignore that nonsense and turn up at 9:00 AM to do an honest day's work.

Not!