Brrrrrrrr....so bloody cold

[CityK]

My annual "I hate winter" rant.

This winter has (so far) been very mild, and this is all much to my liking. For example, last Saturday's high was an uncharacteristic 14C. I certainly can live with that. Today's high is some retardedly low number. Right now (although beautifully sunny), its probably about -25C without the windchill :eekers: I hate the cold. Tommorow is supposed to go back up to around 0C, but snow is coming (so far, we've had little in the way of snow, and I've been very appreciative of that fact). I hate winter. It gets in my way and pisses me off.

On a positive note - I am happily noticing the increased amount of daylight that each new day brings....plus, there are only about 80 more days of potential crappy conditions and then we should be in the clear!

[jtr1962]

Funny how quickly people forget the horribly hot summers and then complain how cold it is. It was 3°F here this morning-beautiful winter weather. If I had a proper sleeping bag I even would have slept outside in the yard. This cold weather is helping to clear up my flu. I can't say hot weather would have the same effect. Every time you're cold just remember summer-insects, sweating, smelly, polluted air, people's tempers running short. It'll give you a whole new outlook on winter. Nice cool, clear air, no sweating when you exert yourself outside, most things are dead or dormant until spring, nice long nights, days don't have obnoxiously intense sunlight as in summer. If only it could be winter all year round. Winter is like nature's disinfectant for the filth and germs of summer.

P.S. I'm sure Coug thinks -25°C is nice spring weather. ;) Not cold by any stretch of the imagination. I've personally felt -60°F for a few minutes in my thermoelectric chamber. That's well into the nasty zone. I don't think I would wish for it to be that cold.

[i]

Where are you located CityK?

[CougTek]

It's been -25C or less here for the pass two or three days. Although it's not spring-like temperature, it isn't that bad either. But when you add the wind factor, it was -42C here yesterday. I went out to take a walk. Nice fresh air. When I wasn't facing the wind, I even didn't have to zip my coat.

It's currently sunny, -27C and 20Km/h wind here.

[The JoJo]

Talk about a bad winter so far. Last year this time you could drive around in the archipelago here with a car, on the ice. Not this year, still open waters in many places.
We've had a few cold stretches here, but then warmer weather again. Now it's about -15C.

[i]

Born in the far north? Were your parents born there too? And their parents (and their parents' parents, ad nauseam)?

Good! (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/tech/main592346.shtml) You'll stay warmer this winter.

Are you also a fearful, self-critical, anxious neurotic?

Great! (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040110.ucold0110/BNStory/National/) You'll be even warmer this winter!

[Mercutio]

I hate snow. I hate ice. I like the fact that in winter time I only have to worry about my dust allergy and not all the other stuff that bothers me.

[CityK]

Where are you located CityK?
Toronto

[e_dawg]

I was just thinking the same thing, CK. How bloody cold it's been in T.O. the last couple days. I was out Thursday night and experienced the bitter cold firsthand. My fridge and cupboards were completely empty, it was 2 AM, and I was starving -- so hungry that I couldn't sleep. I had to get something to eat. I remembered that the McDonald's the next street over was open all night, so I decided to make a "foodie call". When I got there, I realized that the dining area was closed, and you could only order from the "walk-thru" window on the side. There was a lineup with 5 people in front of me, too. This was the longest 7 minutes ever. No touque or gloves, not even a warm jacket. It was pretty windy, too. About -32 with windchill. I almost froze my nuts off.

I can't believe that so many people were out clubbing in this weather, standing in line for half an hour to get in to most clubs! Crazy! I refused to go out the past couple days, and none of my friends called either -- I think we all stayed home. This kind of cold makes you not want to do anything but stay inside. I agree: winter sucks.

[e_dawg]

Funny how quickly people forget the horribly hot summers and then complain how cold it is. [...] Every time you're cold just remember summer-insects, sweating, smelly, polluted air, people's tempers running short. It'll give you a whole new outlook on winter.

I used to hate summer, too, but that was when I didn't have A/C :) With A/C at home, in the car, at the office, and in the subways, what's the problem? During the hottest part of the day, I'm either in the office or in the subway on the way home. When I get home at dinner time, it starts to cool off enough that it's bearable. Nothing nicer than having drinks on a patio after dinner. The only problem I find with summer is when it is hot and HUMID. That part I don't like. The nasty stickiness. But on those partly sunny summer days with a little breeze, low humidity and about 26 C (79 F), what could be better? I live for those days sitting on the patio downtown with friends, drinking margaritas... shades on, watching the girls walk by... We'll have to meet up sometime in the summer and do that, CK!

[jtr1962]

With A/C at home, in the car, at the office, and in the subways, what's the problem?

Sure, I have A/C also, but I like to go out for walks, bike rides, touring around Manhattan. In the summer I just can't do any of those things without feeling very uncomfortable most of the time, so in effect I'm trapped indoors for three months and/or forced to do everything after the sun sets. Even then it's usually not too comfortable. Don't forget that with a little physical activity, even fast walking, you can sweat even when it's 50°F outside. Also, A/C hardly takes the place of cool, winter air. Frequently, the air gets stale from the moisture sitting in the A/C when it cycles on and off. Not to mention that you're alternately freezing and sweating when the A/C cycles.



The only problem I find with summer is when it is hot and HUMID. That part I don't like. The nasty stickiness. But on those partly sunny summer days with a little breeze, low humidity and about 26 C (79 F), what could be better? I live for those days sitting on the patio downtown with friends, drinking margaritas... shades on, watching the girls walk by...

Humidity is a big problem with NYC summers-even on days when it's not too hot the humidity (and insects) are stifling. Don't forget, you're up north where summers are cooler as a rule, and I don't think anyplace is as humid as Flushing in the summer-this place was originally a swamp. Needing a shower after doing literally anything gets annoying pretty quickly. Another thing-blame on global warming, trolls, hobbits, whatever, summers have been getter hotter for the last 50 years. A 90°F day was a relative rarity when I was a kid. Now we have 90+ stretches for weeks at a time in June, July, and August, along with a few days where temps creep up well past 105°F. With asphault streets 105°F in Central Park can mean 125°F in most places where people walk. I recorded 132°F in our driveway (concrete, not asphalt) one summer's day. Even at night, you're sometimes lucky to get under 80 or 85. And the air smells horrible in the summer thanks to the cars-I think if you lived here you would be as adamant a proponent of electric cars as I am. Regarding girl watching, I'm one who likes more left to the imagination so skimpy summer styles don't appeal to me, and the types of girls I'm attracted look stupid wearing those types of clothes anyhow. Summer just has no redeeming qualities whatsoever for me other than the garden. Even the birds are still here in the winter. In fact, there were about 100 of them sitting in the yard after I fed them.

[flagreen]

48 F here in St.Petersburg today. Which is just about right for me.

In the summer down here it's not so much that it gets too hot, it rarely gets over 95 F, but that it lasts so long. We have 80 F + starting in April and it typically lasts through November. No fall... No spring... only Summer and Winter.

[LunarMist]

It was -21°C (-6°F) in NH this morning with 13 MPH winds, so the wind chill made it even worse. At some point the numbers are kinda meaningless. I just know it was truly cold.

[Howell]

It has been sub 30F at night for the past few days. Last night I had some people over for a bonfire. Frost on the ground and I'm walking around in a t-shirt. When I got home the temp read 22F. I'm not complaining.

Some friends just got back from a week of skiing at Whistler, BC. One of them almost lost some toes to frostbite. They said the coldest day was -50F w/ windchill.

[ddrueding]

Sorry, can't help it ;) (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/salinas)

[sechs]

It was, what, 16 degrees here... centigrade....

[e_dawg]

Sorry, can't help it ;) (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/salinas)

Again, you bastard! One of these days I'm going to drag your ass to Canada, get Coug to help me chain you up to tree in northern Quebec and ask "how ya like the weather now, Dave?" :evil:

[Pradeep]

It was -12F on Saturday, with windchill that came to about -30C. Coldest weather I've ever experienced, glad it's not deer season. Plus the OEM tires on the rental Altima are absolutely shithouse, no traction at all. Hope to get the Blizzaks on the road this week.

[Mercutio]

Is the weather any nicer over in British Columbia or all canucks as bitter (ha ha I kill me!) as e-dawg?

Good thing e-dawg left out the part about the chains and leather restraints. San Franciscans usually PAY for things like that. :D

[flagreen]

It was -12F on Saturday, with windchill that came to about -30C. Coldest weather I've ever experienced, glad it's not deer season. Plus the OEM tires on the rental Altima are absolutely shithouse, no traction at all. Hope to get the Blizzaks on the road this week.

You really need a snowmobile up there Pradeep. Have you considered buying one? I've never been on one but they look like great fun and sensible to have where you live.

[Buck]

Sorry, can't help it ;) (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/salinas)

LOL! Thanks Dave, I was waiting for someone to post some good news. (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/san-clemente) :D

[Mercutio]

Well, at least we haven't heard from the Aussies yet.

BTW, this week is statistically the coldest part of winter for US residents.

[ddrueding]

That's OK, next year this time I'll be on my second week here (http://hi.weather-forecast.ws/hawaii-national-park).

[Buck]

Nice Dave. Hawaii is beautiful, although a bit warm for me. I have never spent much time on the Hilo side of the Big Island, mostly on the Kona side.

[ddrueding]

If you want good news, go where all the retirees go (http://az.weather-forecast.ws/phoenix)

[ddrueding]

Nice Dave. Hawaii is beautiful, although a bit warm for me. I have never spent much time on the Hilo side of the Big Island, mostly on the Kona side.

The last time I was there, I spent about a week on each side, a different B'n'B' each time. I hear you can no longer walk out to the lava flow. I got within about 3-4' last time before my boots melted. Those are a cool souvenier.

[Buck]

If you want good news, go where all the retirees go (http://az.weather-forecast.ws/phoenix)

No thanks, I'd miss the ocean.

[Buck]

Nice Dave. Hawaii is beautiful, although a bit warm for me. I have never spent much time on the Hilo side of the Big Island, mostly on the Kona side.

The last time I was there, I spent about a week on each side, a different B'n'B' each time. I hear you can no longer walk out to the lava flow. I got within about 3-4' last time before my boots melted. Those are a cool souvenier.

That's really cool. Did you get them bronzed? :) If you are ever on the Kona side again, visit the Kona Brewing Company. (http://www.konabrewingco.com/)

[ddrueding]

Nice Dave. Hawaii is beautiful, although a bit warm for me. I have never spent much time on the Hilo side of the Big Island, mostly on the Kona side.

The last time I was there, I spent about a week on each side, a different B'n'B' each time. I hear you can no longer walk out to the lava flow. I got within about 3-4' last time before my boots melted. Those are a cool souvenier.

That's really cool. Did you get them bronzed? :) If you are ever on the Kona side again, visit the Kona Brewing Company. (http://www.konabrewingco.com/)

I'll have to check that out!

I actually still use the boots, but the tred pattern is a little...unusual. It leaves really cool footprints ;)

[sechs]

Remember to leave the rocks, or Pele will have her revenge.

[SteveC]

I just heard the forecast for Thursday morning: snow, 30-40MPH winds, and near 0F temperatures. Ugh.

[ddrueding]

Remember to leave the rocks, or Pele will have her revenge.

Pele can keep the rocks, they're only really cool in liquid form, anyway. And airport security being what it is... :roll:

[Buck]

Remember to leave the rocks, or Pele will have her revenge.

Pele can keep the rocks, they're only really cool in liquid form, anyway. And airport security being what it is... :roll:

Airport security in Kona? LOL

[CityK]

Again, you bastard! Don't worry e_dawg, the big one is bound to get them all one day soon.

[CityK]

Speaking about Hawaii, I was watching the opening event for the PGA tour this weekend, and boy oh boy did it ever look nice there. The greens and blues in the pictures were just fantastic.

I think I should put everything to the side, move down to Scotsdale, Az., play and practice golf straight through till November, then try to qualify for the Nationwide Tour....as unreal as that may sound, there is a part of me that believes it could be done.

[ddrueding]

Remember to leave the rocks, or Pele will have her revenge.

Pele can keep the rocks, they're only really cool in liquid form, anyway. And airport security being what it is... :roll:

Airport security in Kona? LOL

Although it is a bit lax (I bet I could walk a machette straight onto the plane), molten rock might catch their attention.

[sechs]

I think that they'd catch the machete. If you're dressed appropriately, the molten rock may go through.

[Buck]

I think that they'd catch the machete. If you're dressed appropriately, the molten rock may go through.

If you're nicely tanned, wear a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and flip flops, greet the Hawaiian securiy guard with the usual Hawaiian slang "howzit" (appropriate pigeon English accent helps), you could get through with three open suitcases full of weed. :D Now, making it through Honolulu International is a different story.

[sechs]

Buck, you'd have to give a shaka, or they'd stop you for sure.

[Dïscfärm]

Yes, it's so cold that after an hour or two of picking coconuts in the breeze, I had to put my tee shirt back on.

[Computer Generated Baby]

Where are you located CityK?
Toronto

It's no wonder why we are awash with Ontarioans, Saskatchewanians, and a sprinkle of Albertans this time of year.

This includes zillions of white Canadian geese in fields.

[e_dawg]

Is the weather any nicer over in British Columbia or all canucks as bitter (ha ha I kill me!) as e-dawg?

Yes, BC is warmer than the rest of Canada in the winter. But instead of snow, BC usually gets a crapload of rain. I remember one winter 5-6 years ago, I heard on the radio that it was the 20th consecutive day without sun for Vancouver (either completely cloudy or raining). That same winter, numerous roofs and buildings leaked and some even collapsed, exposing the numerous dwellings that were not built to code!

As for bitterness, where's Coug when you need a good old temper tantrum?


Good thing e-dawg left out the part about the chains and leather restraints. San Franciscans usually PAY for things like that. :D

LOL... I see Dave is from the bay area. Perhaps we can accomodate his requests by subcontracting to some of the kinky patrons of Toronto's (appropriately named) Queen St.

[e_dawg]

And the cold weather is back today... :evil:

http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?yyz

[CougTek]

As for bitterness, where's Coug when you need a good old temper tantrum?
http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_f.html?yqb

Currently around -25C with windchill factor of below -46C. It's starting to feel a bit cool outside. It will only be warm from Saturday and on.

Yesterday, I shoveled snow outside for about an hour and a half. It was 18C, -30C considering wind and I did feel the need to zip my coat, wear a hat, or anything else besides thin leather gloves.

You're all wimps.

But I admit I wouldn't take a walk outside with my usual T-shirt/jeans/open leather coat today. I would have to add a sweater.

[ddrueding]

Good thing e-dawg left out the part about the chains and leather restraints. San Franciscans usually PAY for things like that. :D

LOL... I see Dave is from the bay area. Perhaps we can accomodate his requests by subcontracting to some of the kinky patrons of Toronto's (appropriately named) Queen St.

:lol: I did relocate, you know... :roll:

[e_dawg]

Currently around -25C with windchill factor of below -46C. It's starting to feel a bit cool outside.

Yikes. That is focking froid, mon asti.

[CougTek]

Yep, but I made a mistake. A look at the local news channel told me that it was in fact -31C at the moment I posted my previous message, not -25C like I thought. Now it's probably only -25C though.

[ddrueding]

-31C....-23.8F .....56F below freezing.....what's the up side to living there?

[CougTek]

Have the right to claim that you're not a wimp...and be able to prove it.

[ddrueding]

Have the right to claim that you're not a wimp...and be able to prove it.

Fair enough...I'm a wimp, wearing a t-shirt :P The only jacket I own is leather.

[ddrueding]

Well, that hand having to protect your woman by keeping her warm ;)

[jtr1962]

-31C....-23.8F .....56F below freezing.....what's the up side to living there?
A short summer? Seriously, though, love of warm or hot weather certainly isn't universal. While I'll admit -31°C might be a bit too cold for me, I'd be very happy if it never got warmer than about 50°F in NYC. I just don't see any point to warm weather.

[ddrueding]

Well, I'm with you on that one as well....I like the weather to remain between 48F and 72F at all times. I can handle colder much better than hotter, but either is unpleasant.

[CityK]

Yes, it's so cold that after an hour or two of picking coconuts in the breeze, I had to put my tee shirt back on.
:D And I thought it was going to be hard to top last years. Well, ya better start thinking up the next one, cause its likely already less then a year before my next schpeel about hating winter.

[CityK]

[quote="e_dawg"]And the cold weather is back today... :evil: /quote]Not to mention the freakin stupid snow. I got to get me a taller showel, as my lower back is sore now.

[CityK]

Well, I'm with you on that one as well....I like the weather to remain between 48F and 72F at all times. I can handle colder much better than hotter, but either is unpleasant. That would be a pretty nice range.

[ddrueding]

Yeah, I was looking for a statistical reporting page, 'cause I'm pretty sure we're darn close here.

[ddrueding]

Well, the nearest City with a 30-year history on the NOAA site is San Francisco...

Average Temp? 60.5F
Standard Deviation? 5.56F
This is the 5th most stable in the US (#1 is Hilo, Hawaii. In fact, all the higher ones are in Hawaii)

Hell, yeah.... 8)

And for those interested in my complete list of 283 cities throughout the US, sorted by STD-DEV...

Simple HTML (http://ddrueding.dyndns.org/weathersimple.htm)

For the really cool ones* (http://ddrueding.dyndns.org/weather.html)

*(To use this Web page interactively, you must have Microsoft® Internet Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 2 (SP2) or later and the Microsoft Office 2003 Web Components.)[/url]

[flagreen]

Cheer up my frosty friends. Help is on the way. Al Gore will be giving a speech on global warming today and how it's all evil President Bush's fault. :)

[CougTek]

It's not only Bushy's fault, but his actions since he is on top are a significant contribution. I hope he'll pass to the electric chair someday.

[Splash]

A look at the local news channel told me that it was in fact -31C at the moment I posted my previous message, not -25C like I thought.


Montreal is the snowiest city¹ in the world.



¹ population of 1 000 000 or more people

[sechs]

California is great.

If I want warm, I just go to San Diego.
If I want cold, I just go to Tahoe.
If I want to eat, I just go pick it.
If I want pollution, I just go to Los Angeles.
If I want idiots, I just go to Sacramento.

[Computer Generated Baby]

...you forgot to add:

If I want to feel isolated, but still be in a city, I just go to Eureka.

If I want culture, I just go to Fresno.

[Buck]

If I want culture, I just go to Fresno.


:lol:

[flagreen]

And if you guys want Helter-Skelter you just go to Spawn Ranch right? :)

[Buck]

And if you guys want Helter-Skelter you just go to Spawn Ranch right? :)

No, I used to go to the Swallows Inn. That was when San Juan Capistrano was a bit rough around the edges and the upper-middle-class hadn't moved in yet.

[sechs]

If I want culture, I just go to Fresno.




That's a joke, right? All that Fresno has given us lately is two supposed murders and something to fill the 11 o'clock news when more important things are going on in the world....

[ddrueding]

Nah, Fresno serves a very important role. Any time you are having a bad day, all you're buddy needs to say is:

Could be worse, you could be in Fresno right now...

[SteveC]

Well, I'm with you on that one as well....I like the weather to remain between 48F and 72F at all times. I can handle colder much better than hotter, but either is unpleasant.

About 85F with a light rain is what I consider perfect weather.

[e_dawg]

Somehow, I think Hamilton qualifies as the Fresno of Ontario. What do you think, CK?

[adriel]

I hadn't experienced hot+humid nor cold+windy until 6 months ago... It was hot, humid, air was saturated with small things called gnats so I was breathing them in my nostrils, wearing sweat tops and sweat bottoms. Went to bed sticky about every other day. Then it got cold and windy.

Further east now. Last week, snowing outside, had to run in shorts, held the pushup position for over 20 minutes on the cold cement with rocks digging into hands, forearms numb towards the end of the run, couldn't pronounce words properly, feet soaked since I can't go around puddles. Most mornings now are colder.

I used to believe that hot weather was worse. Now, I realize that hot+humid is, at worst, merely uncomfortable. It's cold weather that brings pain.

[e_dawg]

Best thing to come out of Hamilton? Possibly Bob Young of Red Hat.

[flagreen]

And if you guys want Helter-Skelter you just go to Spawn Ranch right? :)

No, I used to go to the Swallows Inn. That was when San Juan Capistrano was a bit rough around the edges and the upper-middle-class hadn't moved in yet.

Hmm... not sure if you got my meaning. Spawn Movie Ranch is where Charlie Manson and his girls were waiting for "helter-skelter" to come. Which according the Charlie was the great race war between blacks and whites that the Beatles had predicted in their song of the same name.

I have no idea why I brought it up. :)

[CityK]

Somehow, I think Hamilton qualifies as the Fresno of Ontario. What do you think, CK?Probably a close race with Windsor

[CityK]

Best thing to come out of Hamilton? Possibly Bob Young of Red Hat. What about the steal?

[CityK]

err, steel

[Pradeep]

Current Conditions
-18°C Light Snow

Feels Like
-30°C

UV Index: 0 Minimal
Dew Point: -22°C
Humidity: 73%
Visibility: 2.0 kilometers
Pressure: 1,019.3 millibars and steady
Wind: From the Northwest at 26 gusting to 37 km/h

Almost all the schools were closed today because of the windchill temps, looks like a lot will be closed tomorrow as well. Only someone of dubious mental capacity would boast about living in a place with temps like this :D

I'd hate to think of the wind chill temps whilst riding a snowmobile!

[CougTek]

Beware Pradeep, those American weirdos might scalp you if you're using Celcius and kilometers again instead of non-sense Fahrenheits and miles and feet and inches and pounds and oz and other non-decimal units.

[sechs]

Nah, Fresno serves a very important role. Any time you are having a bad day, all you're buddy needs to say is:

Could be worse, you could be in Fresno right now...

I'm feeling better already....

[Handruin]

Towns are closing school tomorrow because its...cold out side. I kid you not.

[Computer Generated Baby]

If I want culture, I just go to Fresno.
That's a joke, right?...

If I want to mingle with the intellectuals, I just go to Bakersfield.

[Mercutio]

Fookin' New England pansies. Oh! It's 30 below! Looks like we can't put on our ballerina slippers and merrily prance about Jack Frost's Icy Kingdom to-day. We'll have to stay in-of-doors and drink warm milk and think fondly of by-gone friends.

Do they not make coats, hats and gloves for you East Coast types?

Chicago gets 36 inches of snow in 24 hours, we dig out, no one except Chicagoans even knows it happens. But the minute there's anything but blue skies smiling at anything within a day's car trip of New York City, the whole country gets one layer of hyperbole from a plague of locusts o'er the land.

[timwhit]

Fookin' New England pansies. Oh! It's 30 below! Looks like we can't put on our ballerina slippers and merrily prance about Jack Frost's Icy Kingdom to-day. We'll have to stay in-of-doors and drink warm milk and think fondly of by-gone friends.

Do they not make coats, hats and gloves for you East Coast types?

Chicago gets 36 inches of snow in 24 hours, we dig out, no one except Chicagoans even knows it happens. But the minute there's anything but blue skies smiling at anything within a day's car trip of New York City, the whole country gets one layer of hyperbole from a plague of locusts o'er the land.

I was thinking the same thing.

[e_dawg]

That reminds me of Vancouver, BC, which called in the army when they had 4 inches of snow :)

[Computer Generated Baby]

Chicago gets 36 inches of snow in 24 hours...

And Beefalo is THE windy city -- actually. Buffalo also regularly gets pounded by snow the worst of any US city. Chicago is certainly on near the top of the list with Cleveland. And Detroit, Toledo, Rochester should certainly get honourable mentions here for snowfall. And, I can personally testify that it's completely possible to freeze to one's nuts off in the greater Minneapolis / Eden Prairie metro area. I've not been the U.P. part of Michigan, but it snows like holy hell there during the wintertime.

On one of my business trips (1988-ish), I recall having to dodge mini-icebergs that were scooting across Lake Eire onto the I-90 roadway in New York between Cleveland and Buffalo. This was close to that little stretch of Pennsylvania on the lake.

[Computer Generated Baby]

I hate snow. I hate ice.
Unless there's a hell of a lot of snow, I don't mind snow anywhere near as much as friggin' ICE.

Ice, freezing rain, frozen rain, sleet, sleet+snow, all suck bad. Wet snow sucks bad, too.

[its.fubar]

HeHe Now you know why it is such a good idea to have a 4 by 4 to get around in such time`s.

[Pradeep]

4*4 is fine for acceleration, but it doesn't help jack s$$$ when you want to stop. I'd rather have a FWD with snow tires than a 4*4 with all-seasons.

[Pradeep]

Schools are closed again today, giving the brats a 5 day weekend! Honestly it feels colder than -27 when I was out warming the car up a half hour ago.

Current Conditions -16°C
Light Snow Feels Like -27°C

UV Index: 0 Minimal
Dew Point: -19°C
Humidity: 71%
Visibility: 6.4 kilometers
Pressure: 1,014.6 millibars and rising
Wind: From the West Northwest at 34 gusting to 51 km/h

[Corvair]

I'd rather have a FWD with snow tires than a 4*4 with all-seasons.

How 'bout a rear wheel driven Corvair! http://www.storageforum.net/forum/images/avatars/gallery/userupload/d0bb4af13e28da145a566.jpg

Without proper footing, though, it would easily become a rear wheel drive Corvair going backwards!



Current Conditions -16°C
Light Snow Feels Like -27°C

UV Index: 0 Minimal
Dew Point: -19°C
Humidity: 71%
Visibility: 6.4 kilometers
Pressure: 1,014.6 millibars and rising
Wind: From the West Northwest at 34 gusting to 51 km/h

Stuff in RED is what's already got me aching: Coldness that cuts right thru ya :errr:

[Corvair]

How 'bout a rear wheel driven Corvair!

Actually, I meant rear-engined Corvair.

Anyway, the Corvair was actually a pretty good snow car. Plus, you could get cabin heat fairly quick with its air-cooled engine.

[Handruin]

Fookin' New England pansies. Oh! It's 30 below! Looks like we can't put on our ballerina slippers and merrily prance about Jack Frost's Icy Kingdom to-day. We'll have to stay in-of-doors and drink warm milk and think fondly of by-gone friends.

Do they not make coats, hats and gloves for you East Coast types?

Chicago gets 36 inches of snow in 24 hours, we dig out, no one except Chicagoans even knows it happens. But the minute there's anything but blue skies smiling at anything within a day's car trip of New York City, the whole country gets one layer of hyperbole from a plague of locusts o'er the land.

I agree...that was my point, but I didn't do a good job conveying my sarcasm that schools are being closed. People on the news last night were annoyed...said it was making our kids soft. I'm sure it's cold as hell outside right now...can't wait to get in my car to find out.

Is this what an engine block heater is for. ;)

[Pradeep]

I agree...that was my point, but I didn't do a good job conveying my sarcasm that schools are being closed. People on the news last night were annoyed...said it was making our kids soft. I'm sure it's cold as hell outside right now...can't wait to get in my car to find out.

Is this what an engine block heater is for. ;)

That's what remote start is for. I'm getting it installed as soon as the car gets out of the collision shop.

I sort of agree with you Doug about closing the schools. In our school district the bus stops right at our house, so there is no need to walk to a bus stop. But in Rochester City everyone walks to school, and I can see issues there. Also one school district the diesel in the school buses had turned to jelly!


Stuff in RED is what's already got me aching: Coldness that cuts right thru ya

GoreTex kept the wind out of the body but the exposed skin on the face got mighty frosty :D LOL to think a few short months ago I was boasting that I would wear shorts and thongs right thru the winter.

[CougTek]

4*4 is fine for acceleration, but it doesn't help jack s$$$ when you want to stop. I'd rather have a FWD with snow tires than a 4*4 with all-seasons.
Agreed. For the record, here we have a lot more winter time than pretty much anywhere in the States (Alaska excluded) and more people use cars instead of trucks than in the States.

4x4 are all about perceived security rather than true safety. I would take a Corolla with winter tires over a Land Rover with 4-seasons any day to drive when it's -20C and icy like it is here today.

[jtr1962]

My outdoor thermometer read -1° F last night. I heard with the wind chills it felt like -35° F. I walked a few blocks when it was about 10°. The wind made it brutal, sort of like being on a mountain during a whiteout. This is the coldest NYC has been since 1994. I can only imagine what Canada or upstate felt like.

[e_dawg]

The wind was ridiculous today. I was doing some banking today downtown and honestly found it difficult to walk forwards against the wind. I think it was around 50 km/h (30 mph) as measured at the airport, but it may have been more downtown with the "wind tunnel effect" with the wind being channeled between the buildings.

[Pradeep]

LOL, did anyone see Al Gore proclaiming Bush as the harbinger of global warming in NYC the other day? When it was below 0 degrees F? Still the same old Gore.

[e_dawg]

Yeah, I heard about that. Anyone see The Daily Show with John Stewart the other day? He was joking about how cold it was in Canada and said "don't worry guys. We're burning fossil fuels at an amazing rate and we'll take care of that cold weather you guys are having up there in no time!"

[Howell]

Some friends just got back from a week of skiing at Whistler, BC. One of them almost lost some toes to frostbite. They said the coldest day was -50F w/ windchill.

I was incorrect before. They went to Quebec. Some slope with a hypenated name. At the lift entrances they have mirrors to check your face for white spots (frostbite).

I have plans to go camping at Mt. Mitchell, NC (highest point east of the MS river) in a couple weeks. Should be nice and chilly.

[CityK]

Mont Sainte-Anne

[Howell]

Mont Sainte-Anne

Of all these (http://www.mediaodyssey.com/ski/statemap.cfm/PQ.htm), Mt. Tremblant sounds familiar. I saw it on a t-shirt so the name may not be officially hyphenated.

[CougTek]

I live less than 25Km away from Mont Ste-Anne. I've never been there though.

[CityK]

Of all these (http://www.mediaodyssey.com/ski/statemap.cfm/PQ.htm), Mt. Tremblant sounds familiar. I saw it on a t-shirt so the name may not be officially hyphenated.
Hmm, now that you mention it, I do seem to recall hearing some xxxxx-Tremblant several times before. In the past when I heard this name I figured it was something like Whistler Blackcomb, but looking on that site listing the resorts doesn't ring any bells.

[Mercutio]

LOL, did anyone see Al Gore proclaiming Bush as the harbinger of global warming in NYC the other day? When it was below 0 degrees F? Still the same old Gore.




..."In preparing this series of speeches, I have noticed a troubling pattern that characterizes the Bush/Cheney administration's approach to almost all issues. In almost every policy area, the administration's consistent goal has been to eliminate any constraints on their exercise of raw power, whether by law, regulation, alliance or treaty -- and in the process they have in each case caused America to be seen by the other nations of the world as showing disdain for the international community.

"In each case they devise their policies with as much secrecy as possible and in close cooperation with the most powerful special interests that have a monetary stake in what happens. In each case the public interest is not only ignored but actively undermined. In each case they devote considerable attention to a clever strategy of deception that appears designed to prevent the American people from discerning what it is they are actually doing. Indeed, they often use Orwellian language to disguise their true purposes. For example, a policy that opens national forests to destructive logging of old-growth trees is labeled "The Healthy Forest Initiative." A policy that vastly increases the amount of pollution that can be dumped into the air is called the "Clear Skies Initiative."

"And in case after case, the policy adopted immediately after the inauguration has been the exact opposite of what was pledged to the American people during the election campaign. The promise by candidate Bush to conduct a "humble" foreign policy and avoid any semblance of "nation building" was transformed in the first days of the Bush presidency, into a frenzied preparation for a military invasion of Iraq, complete with detailed plans for the remaking of that nation under American occupation.

Nothing to do with the weather, just some interesting comments from that speech on a very important day for the national political process.

[Jake the Dog]

whilst it's cold for some, for others (like us in Melb) -

current temp (08:30am): 24.3°C/75.7°F
today's forecast: 37°C/98.6°F with possible showers

[Buck]

whilst it's cold for some, for others (like us in Melb) -

current temp (08:30am): 24.3°C/75.7°F
today's forecast: 37°C/98.6°F with possible showers

In my opinion, that is horrific weather. Thank goodness for Maritime Temperate. :D

[e_dawg]

Man, I've just about had it with this winter. No end to this cold weather in sight: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/Pages/CAON0696.htm

Jake, save me a spot in the kennel. I'm moving down to Australia for the next month.

[CougTek]

e-dawg, what's wrong with the temperature in Toronto? Seems like a nice winter day to me.

[e_dawg]

It's about 10 deg C too cold for me. Not only is it cold outside when waiting for the streetcar (bus), but even when I'm at home it's cold with hardwood floors and floor-to-ceiling wall-to-wall glass in my living room and bedroom. You can feel the cold straight through both the windows and the floor.

[e_dawg]

P.S. In Toronto, we usually get average daytime temps of -2 C and nighttime temps of -10 C in January. We do get cold spells every now and then, but this year it seems like ever since the 2nd week of January, it has been extremely cold (relative to our usual)... the cold weather is expected to continue until February, which would make it 3 straight weeks of unusually cold weather.

[CougTek]

Put a strips of plastic on your window. You can find this at places like Home Hardware. It will create a layer of air between the glass and the plastic and it is a very effective method to insulate windows. And it's cheap to do too.

You shouldn't need to open your window too often until Spring anyway...

[Buck]

Just as a reminder. :D

San Clemente, California (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/san-clemente)

[CityK]

some of the adhesives used in the double sided tape can leave a real mess on paint etc

[CougTek]

Two words Buck. First begins with an "F" and the second with a "Y".

:P

[ddrueding]

Just as a reminder. :D

San Clemente, California (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/san-clemente)

Yeah, we've got overcast here (http://ca.weather-forecast.ws/salinas)

[CityK]

Another outburst like that Buck and I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to remove me from your christmas card list

[Buck]

A host of friends. :D

I will soon get my small measure of cold weather when I visit Seattle next month.

[Jake the Dog]

whilst it's cold for some, for others (like us in Melb) -

current temp (08:30am): 24.3°C/75.7°F
today's forecast: 37°C/98.6°F with possible showers

In my opinion, that is horrific weather. Thank goodness for Maritime Temperate. :D

we're a bit tougher down here Buck, so it's not that bad :tounge:

[Jake the Dog]

Jake, save me a spot in the kennel. I'm moving down to Australia for the next month.

no worries mate! </goes to dig up the welcome bone>

[Bartender]

we're a bit tougher down here Buck, so it's not that bad :tounge:

Indeed four-legged one. Buck is very temperate, can't handle really cold or hot weather. He prefers it between 60°F and 75°F and for half of the year either foggy, overcast, or light showers. Very strange man.

On the other hand, I would enjoy visiting Australia during your Winter season, taking a nice tour up and down the East Coast.

[Pradeep]

Well it's not so cold anymore, but we certainly had some exciting icy weather in upstate NY. Anyone else slipping and sliding around today?

[flagreen]

Well it's not so cold anymore, but we certainly had some exciting icy weather in upstate NY. Anyone else slipping and sliding around today?

Not here in Florida. Do you get the lake effect where you are?

[Mercutio]

Just wait Pradeep. It's coming your way. I had to scrape 8" of snow off my car this morning, another 3" when I went to lunch and then 4" more when it was time to go home.

I hate snow.

[Fushigi]

Even though Merc and I are only about 60 miles away from each other, our experiences are rather different. We got 3-4" of blowing, drifting snow yesterday. Enough that my morning commute was pretty bad (2.5x normal time) since they hadn't relly plowed the roads. But the afternoon drive was only marginally worse than average and there's nothing new but colder temps this morning.

At home, the car is garaged, so snow scraping isn't needed (substitute shoveling the driveway). At work, it's an open parking lot, but with the wind yesterday, there was only a minor accumulation on the vehicles.

Merc, being just S / SE of Lake Michigan, will on average get a lot more lake effect snow than I will.

[Bartender]

Just wait Pradeep. It's coming your way. I had to scrape 8" of snow off my car this morning, another 3" when I went to lunch and then 4" more when it was time to go home.

I hate snow.

Merc, we have some delicious hot-chocolate for you.

[Mercutio]

I think I'd prefer my warm NyQuil cocktail, actually.

[Pradeep]

Not here in Florida. Do you get the lake effect where you are?

We get some lake effect, tho not as much as people right on the shores of Lake Ontario. We prob had about 6 inches overnight, and a couple more inches today. Yesterday was worse, plenty of ice with slush on top, and idiots who think 75MPH on all-seasons is fine. We usually see them off the road a bit further on. A B-double passed Tracy yesterday, sure enough it had rolled over at the next exit. You'd think professional truck drivers would know better.

Car is what we have to brush off, driveway is plowed by our derelict landlord who comes maybe once a week, at 8am after everyone has already gone to work. So snow tires are a must.

On a brighter side I got the rego plates for the truck today, picking it up tomorrow. I'm giddy with excitement, I better have a hot toddy. Bottoms up!

[Pradeep]

Picked up the truck yesterday. Lots of fun and plenty of powa! Does have overdrive, I was mistaken. Dual 16 gallon fuel tanks and you can almost see the fuel guage moving while you look at it. Scary stuff! Takes about 20 mins to warm up. And the noise, poor neighbours. The all-seasons were shocking in the snow, so today I got some Nokian Hakkapeliitta SUV tires for it. Very nice improvement in traction, apparently we are meant to get a real mofo of a snow storm next week.

[The JoJo]

Duh, we've had the most snow in ten years come down the last 24 hours. With winds of about 20m/s during the snowfall, the weather was beautifyl! Great storm! You couldn't see more than maybe 50-150 meters at best.
Simply beautiful.

But of course the downside is, the road are totally packed with snow. Where there was 2 lanes, there are about 1-1.5 lanes now after the snowploughs.
And now it's about 0 celsius, so the snow is getting really heavy.

Time to go out on a walk.

[Pradeep]

We just finished the snowiest January on record, about 65" for the month - tho I'm sure nothing compared to Finnish standards :)

[flagreen]

It's global warming. The equatorial regions have heated up so much they're sucking all the cold air from the poles toward the equator.

:eekers:

[time]

Just finished the hottest day here for nearly 80 years: about 41.7C or 107F (half way between two Weather Bureau observation stations). At 3:15pm, I confirmed 41C outside (in the dirt of a shaded pot plant to minimize radiant heat effects from the bricks).

Fortunately, the normally suffocating humidity dropped off - it's frequently about 65%, rising to the 80's when the sun sets, so the day didn't feel as deadly as I expected. The car A/C didn't stand a chance in the ten minute trip back from the shops - we just wound down the windows - not something you'd normally consider here unless your A/C is broken or, incredibly, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. :o

Unfortunately, we had a power failure around 4:30pm - bastard quasi-publicly-owned electricity company has been milking money from maintenance for many years. :evil: This is the fourth (fifth according to them) in the last four weeks. I called them after two hours, and after the usual gratuitous lengthy wait on hold, they were all honey because of our recent history. They're now admitting they lack the diagnostic tools to trace a fault in the underground system that we're blessed with! Presumably, when the wires are above ground, they just drive around until they see one down. :roll:

Anyway, it ain't much fun without A/C, fans, or refrigerator in this weather (we only have two rooms with undersized A/C anyway). Half the family ended up going to the nearest Golden Arches restaurant (a famous American fast food chain), but the eldest and myself baulked; we picked up a Pizza the Hutt offering and doctored it until it became edible, 'cause the power miraculously returned.

I doubt it will get below 29C (84F) tonight, and they're predicting the same again tomorrow (maybe a degree less), and a couple of degrees less Monday. But as the temperature 'drops', the humidity rockets, and air conditioners and people struggle.

What's getting everyone down, is that daily maximums this month have been above 34C (93F) virtually every day, and I don't think overnight minimums have got below 27C at all. It's just a crippling combination with the aforementioned tropical humidity. :( (I should point out that official temperatures for the City of Brisbane are taken at the airport, which for the last fifteen years or so has been located near the coast - it isn't representative.)

These three months have formed one of the most uncomfortable Summers in memory. Unrelenting is the term that springs to mind - except for a couple of weeks before Christmas, which Mickey had the good sense to pick as a time to visit this armpit of a city. :-?

[jtr1962]

Yuck. :( That sounds like the summer of '93 here in New York-strings of days over 90°F combined with oppressive humidity, and we had one day where it reached 106°F in the shade. I think that day shattered the records-until we hit 108°F a few years later. Strangely, this past January was the second coldest on record-we only had a few days when it actually went above freezing(normal average winter highs in NYC are about 38°F).

[Pradeep]

Just finished the hottest day here for nearly 80 years: about 41.7C or 107F (half way between two Weather Bureau observation stations). At 3:15pm, I confirmed 41C outside (in the dirt of a shaded pot plant to minimize radiant heat effects from the bricks).


Guess I won't tell you about the heavy snow we are currently having here in Upstate NY then :mrgrn:

[time]

jtr1962: Yeah, just add 10 points to the humidity and you'll get the idea (I meant 65% minimum in the hottest part of the day). Although you can take away 10-20 points in 'Winter' (tropical climate = dry Winters - no rain).

And unfortunately, we now experience 90F+ days over a seven month range.

On the other hand, Pradeep, the 'Winter' minimum is barely different from some of New York's Winter maximums. :roll:

[Computer Generated Baby]

If I want culture, I just go to Fresno.

That's a joke, right? All that Fresno has given us lately is two supposed murders and something to fill the 11 o'clock news when more important things are going on in the world....

Well, as of last Friday, I guess Fresno is now finally back on track for the California Annual Per Capita Murder Rate Award. :o

[Pradeep]

We've had about 4 inches since 10am this morning, will prob be a foot or more by tomorrow morning, with another snow system for Thursday arvo.

[sechs]

It's 80F here now... shooting for another record.

You can keep the snow, but I'll take ten degrees lower from you.

[SteveC]

It was in the 60s yesterday, and I had the top down on my car. Now it's snowing with 6 inches expected.