Genome@Home

[The JoJo]

Coug and everyone, this is the system I'm using to help out on the Genome@Home project.

The Storageforum_net team would appreciate any help from people with spare "cycles". The number one spot would be very nice ;)

Have Fun everyone!

[Clocker]

I have joined your Team JoJo!

I hope they make this software look a little prettier. Nonethelss, I'm in. I've found a link for running Genome@Home as a service so it is out of the way. I have yet to try it but I will eventually. If you would like to give it a shot....here's a link!

http://www.geocities.com/federov55112/Genome_Service.html

Clocker

[Pradeep]

Better stats link:

http://www.statsman.org/genomestats/4194.html

HTML version for the browser impaired:

http://www.statsman.org/genomestats/html/4194.html

[Handruin]

I joined up tonight, but I don't see my name on the team list or any personal user stats? Does it take a few days for this infor to display?

Tomorrow I will switch over 2 more machines to lend a helping hand the the team and project. :)

[Pradeep]

Your name will appear once you submit your first result. The stats are updated every 3 hours or so, but it may take upto 12 hours for a returned unit to show up in the stats (they do a lot of checking for cheating and duplicate results).

[The JoJo]

Hi everyone!

Thanks for joining!

We must give credit where credit belongs, so big applause to Cougtek who started this group, and Pradeep who gave birth to this idea!! (Correct me if I have understood something wrong!)

I'm merely a humble "follower"... :)

Ok, people, we need all the help we can get so that we can reach that number one spot! And primarily we deffinitely hope that our contribution will help medicine!

Let's not waste those free CPU cycles!!!!

[Pradeep]

I only created the team number, took me 30 secs. All glory to CougTek! :mrgrn: I just wish I could crunch for the team, unfortunately I am committed elsewhere.

[CougTek]

Pradeep,

If you aren't StorageForum_net, then who is it? I thought that user was you, but now I see Bartender as a separated user. It's not Clocker and since Doug only joined yesterday, it cannot be him either. Who is behind that username?

Oh and to clean up confusion, I had the idea to create a team for our site when I read that Pradeep was crunching the Genome@home for someone else. I downloaded the client, then I looked for a way to start a new team. I didn't see the obvious link on the Genome home page and I asked Pradeep how to do it. He created the team and that's it. Is it me or is it Pradeep who started the whole thing? I dunno and I don't care. What's important is that we beat the living pant out of ArsTechnica's team for the #1 spot!

But thanks for the flowers anyway :-)

Just too bad Pradeep is already commited elsewhere. I saw your stats and you are really crunching like a mad. You are around the 460th spot I think, that's a whole lot better than I'll ever reach.

[Bartender]

[quote="CougTek"]Pradeep,

If you aren't StorageForum_net, then who is it? I thought that user was you, but now I see Bartender as a separated user. It's not Clocker and since Doug only joined yesterday, it cannot be him either. Who is behind that username?

[quote]

StorageForum_net would be me. I reconfigured the user information on three of the systems running genome, but to no avail, they continue to send stuff under StorageForum_net.

[CougTek]

I added a link to our team's stats page on the front page so it will be quicker for everyone to follow our progress. We must be one of the fastest growing team.

Bartender,

The lack of an edit button is sometimes a pain isn't it? ;-)

[Bartender]

Bartender,

The lack of an edit button is sometimes a pain isn't it? ;-)

Amen to that.

[Prof.Wizard]

So... you were finally persuaded to start a Genome@home team, huh? :( :x

Anyone Folding@home?!

[Pradeep]

Just too bad Pradeep is already commited elsewhere. I saw your stats and you are really crunching like a mad. You are around the 460th spot I think, that's a whole lot better than I'll ever reach.

3.93 GHz of Athlon power is good for 160 work units per day :)

[Tea]

Almost 4GHz? Don't tell Sol, Pradeep - that is one serious overclock!

[Buck]

Almost 4GHz? Don't tell Sol, Pradeep - that is one serious overclock!

Tell him, tell him! He'll need to buy more components from Redhill.

BR

[Pradeep]

LOL, sorry that's from 2 machines. A dual XP 1.47 GHz and an Athlon4 @ 1GHz.

[Mercutio]

Just like you computer retailers trying to sell someone hardware he doesn't need.

[Pradeep]

Everyone needs a dual AMD machine :)

[CougTek]

160 units a day!!! I barely make 50-60 with my setup. I'm a poor man :cry:

[CougTek]

It looks like my days as the #1 contributor of team SF are ending. In 36 to 48 hours, StorageForum_net will overtake me like if I was stopped. Oh well, it was good the time it last.

We are moving in the right direction though. Teams in front of us must hear something like this (http://home.wanadoo.nl/mp3rulz/jaws.mp3). ;-)

[Pradeep]

All is not lost CougTek :)

http://www.vdpc.org/coug+sr.gif

[Bartender]

It looks like my days as the #1 contributor of team SF are ending. In 36 to 48 hours, StorageForum_net will overtake me like if I was stopped. Oh well, it was good the time it last.

We are moving in the right direction though. Teams in front of us must hear something like this (http://home.wanadoo.nl/mp3rulz/jaws.mp3). ;-)

Sorry for taking your spot Coug, but I have a couple systems that aren't being used much, so I just let them run 24/7 with genome. I just wish that my user name had originally come up correctly.

[CougTek]

I will probably be able to add one or two addtional systems next week, maybe even a third one in a month or so. However, these computers aren't very performant compared to yours (an Athlon 500MHz on an AMD751 motherboard and a Thunderbird 1.4GHz on an ECS K7S5A). Still, I might be able to spice this race a little bit :)

[Bartender]

I will probably be able to add one or two addtional systems next week, maybe even a third one in a month or so. However, these computers aren't very performant compared to yours (an Athlon 500MHz on an AMD751 motherboard and a Thunderbird 1.4GHz on an ECS K7S5A). Still, I might be able to spice this race a little bit :)

Don't make me fire up my rack with 10 1U Athlon 2000+ systems in the back office! :mrgrn:

[Handruin]

I've got 3 little boxes crankin' away for myself. 2 of them are 1 GHz PIII's and one is 1.2 GHz AMD Athlon. If I had more PC's I'd be using them. :)

[CougTek]

Don't make me fire up my rack with 10 1U Athlon 2000+ systems in the back office! :mrgrn:
If I can force you to do it, I sure will :P

Electricity companies will love us.

Tony would probably be the one who could beat us all. As the most important reseller of the forum (to my knowledge), he sure has more computers than anyone else around here.

For my part, I only have three computers at home and only two of them are functional (the other one suffered from a dead mobo or CPU). Of those two, only one is connected to the 'Net (but that'll be fixed next week).

The other two machines I'll use aren't controlled by me, although I own them both. That's why only two of my five systems will be running 24/7, or maybe three if I finally decide to replace the defective components of my broken box. With three fully fonctional 24/7 computers and two semi-active computers, I sure will rock you.

Prepare that rackmount kit, you'll need it!

[Tannin]

Err, lots of computers, but only one that is useful for this kind of stuff at present. (That's this home one, one of the Athlon 1700s, which is currently still doing the United Devices thing. Am I supposed to switch it over?)

The others are not useful for this task at present. The office Athlon XP runs ECS, and the other boxes are all K6-III/500s, running a motely variety of operating systems: OS/2 4.5 (two machines), W98SE, and NT 4.0. But I need a proper TCPIP network as only the ECS box has web access. Current network runs on .... er .... whatever you call the usual old-fashioned thing that all the Microsoft and IBM networks used to run until just lately.

Sol helped me switch it over to TCPIP the other week, and all the machines can ping each other just fine, but I haven't figured out why I can't get outside the local TCPIP network and onto the web with any machine except the one that actually has the modem attached yet.

Sol can't help me with that as he knows all about TCPIP but zero about OS/2, while I know all about OS/2 and zero about TCPIP. Or roughly those proportions, anyway. I'll just have to sit down and figure it out. Guess it will take me somewhere between five minutes and five weeks. :(

[timwhit]

Tannin,

What OS is the computer with the modem running? If it's 2000 then it's real easy to share your network access over TCP/IP. Simply go into network properties and enable ICS (Internet Connection Sharing). It doesn't matter what OS the other machines have on them, it should work.

Or get a real connection damn it and buy a router.

[Bartender]

Hmmm, Cougtek is now keeping pace with me.

[Bozo]

Hmmm..... What are you crunching for?

I'm still running the Storage Review cancer research. Can you do two?

In case you missed it, MSNBC had an article up a couple weeks ago about UD. Seems it found 12000 posible cures for Anthrax in 3 months. The SR group was part of this. We are now back to cancer crunching.

Bozo :D

[Tannin]

Tim, it runs ECS 1.0, which is the new name for the latest version of OS/2. Silly name, but it's a superb operating system: very stable, brilliant multi-tasking (far superior to any Windows version), practically impossible to get a virus infection - Windows viruses just don't know how to cope with it.

It certainly does do that connection sharing thing, I just have to figure out what stupid thing I have got wrong in the TCPIP setup. Which will mean staying back at the office after work one afternoon. Which won't happen until this beautiful autumn weather stops. Which will be a long time. I hope.

[CougTek]

Hmmm, Cougtek is now keeping pace with me.
I don't keep the pace with you. You, however, seem to have decided keep the pace with me.

Please don't slow down just to let me lead the team. I don't care for my personal stats, only the team stats count. ;-)

Besides, I look like an idiot now with my prediction that I would be dethroned within 36-48hours. Oh well, I'll probably be the first to reach 1000 units. I'm often the first to 1000, which is quite easy to understand as I'm Mrs. post 1000th (title given to me by a jealous Aussie last July ;-)). My prediction that we would clinch the 400th rank by the end of the week has been right though. Great work guys.

Who's the second one to have picked TheStorageForum_net for his username?

[Bartender]

That StorageForum_net was me! I forgot that I had input Storageforum_net. Anyway, that should be fixed. I have had trouble with my computers and genome lately, so my calculations have been lagging. What type of systems do you have crunching for this project Coug?

[Handruin]

We'll see who is first to 1000 ;) I'm gaining ground on you two...

[CougTek]

I don't have anything stellar for now. My rig is slightly slower than the one of The JoJo. Here it goes :
Athlon XP 1500+ o/ced to 1.436GHz
Soltek SL-75DRV2 (KT266A)
Crucial 256MB DDR SDRAM PC2100 @ 142MHz
Maxtor D740X 40GB.

I don't think the rest of my system (graphic card, audio card, optical drives) has any kind of impact on my crunching performances. I'm running Win2K SP2 and I installed the latest VIA 4in1 4.38(2)v(a) driver, but the only thing the 4.38 accelerates compared to the 4.37 is the AGP performances ; nothing for the Genome. My computer is running 24/7, except for 3-4 hours per week for maintenance tasks during which I have to loggon as the "Administrator" (no Genome project running on that profile). I usually do my maintenance monday evening so that's why my stats are slightly lower that day compared to other days of the week.

Next week, I'll add a 500MHz Athlon box and the week after, a 1.4GHz Thunderbird. Both will be running 24/7.

Handruin might be able to beat me as the first one to reach 1000 units processed for our team, but I'll be the first user of the team to reach 1000 units under my contributing profile (I completed 75 units before joining SF team). Of course, our overall champ will always be Pradeep with his ~20000 units contribution for The Overclockers team, but that was under another profile. It should be quite a hot race to the first to reach 1000 units for the team though. I think I'll reach that number around monday night. We'll see if you can beat me to it.

[CougTek]

BTW, does adding RAM helps to increase the speed at which we compute the Genome@home? My guess is that it has very few impact and that our performances are mostly determined by the processor architecture and speed, but I'm not sure.

I suspect that our OS can also change slightly the speed at which the Genome@home is running, but again, it's just a guess.

[Pradeep]

The client only takes about 20MB of memory, so excessive amount will not help performance. Generally with genome, clock speed is all that matters. Tho P4's are not very good performers in it.

[CougTek]

I determined that, if we continue at the same pace, we will be 102th on June 15th. Not bad hun? But we will probably be even a bit better than 102th because we will certainly improve our total crunching power till then.

Only RBNet Genome Research Group and The Carmack will still be in front of us among the team #121 to #326 (us). Beyond that, the real game begins though.

[Cliptin]

Hmmm..... What are you crunching for?

I'm still running the Storage Review cancer research. Can you do two?



Yes you can! I'm currently running UD and G@h on a dual Cel 533. Is it any wonder my unit production is so low?!

[CougTek]

It is utterly unfair.

For a reason that escapes my understanding, the server of the Genome@home has stopped to accept my units. It is impossible that I haven't shipped anything since 3am last night. I have been in front of my computer for most of the morning and I know I completed at least two genes before 9am. Handruin will beat me to 1000th, I'm pissed. Why does it always happen to me!

Damn Genome project!

[Pradeep]

What do you mean it won't accept your units? Did they upload, and it just hasn't appeared on the stats yet? Sometimes the stats server goes down (fear not you will be credited with any returned work when they get it up again). SOme times it may take upto 12-16 hours for stats to update.

[CougTek]

I meant the stats server doesn't show my progress since 3am last night. It's no big deal, but I would have like to capture the screenshot showing me at 1000 units first. It would have been the little joy of my day ;-). I presume that at around 18h00 today (in 10 minutes), the stats server will finally update my stats... only to show Doug a half unit in front of me :cry: ... ;-)

I'll connect my second computer later on this evening.

[Handruin]

And while you connect your second computer...a quad PIII Xeon 1MB linux box has just started 4 genome processes for me. ;)

[CougTek]

I don't care, I had my two minutes of glory (http://gah.stanford.edu/teams/StorageForum_net.html) (first to officially reach 1000 units for the team). :P

[Bartender]

Since this is simply a number crunching game, increased cache or RAM makes no difference (unless of course there was none). So a 1000 Mhz Duron will beat a PIII Xeon at 1000 Mhz.

[CougTek]

Team Pfeffer is our next target. After that, it's gonna be hunting season beginning for Coleus Commandos!

I still haven't configured the Athlon 500MHz for running the Genome@home, because of minor issues with my internet sharing device. It should be up and running soon though.

Doug, you're mad, period. Xeon might not be a very efficient CPU for the G@h project, but four of them do make a difference. Even when I'll have three systems crunching 24/7, I won't keep up with you. I won the race to 1000 units, but it doesn't look good for me for the race to the 10000th unit. Anyway, overall, we are a fantastic team.

With Kevin passing 1000 units (and passing me soon at the same time) and Pradeep and JoJo almost there too, we'll soon have 5 members over 1000, nice combo to say the least. I'm sure Ars Technica's members are already worried ;-) (joking, we aren't quite there yet).

[CougTek]

I have a problem when I want to setup the Genome on my second computer. I install the program just fine, but when I start it and I enter my user info, it gives me a new user ID and tells me that there were no previous user info found. I'm sure I enter the same username though : CougTek.

Will it adds the units I'll compute on my second box under the same profile or will it create a new and unecessary one. I don't want to end up like Storageforum_net and StorageForum_net. Doug and others who have multiple computers for one single profile, is it normal that it gives me a second user ID when it starts for the first time on the second machine?

[Handruin]

I have a problem when I want to setup the Genome on my second computer. I install the program just fine, but when I start it and I enter my user info, it gives me a new user ID and tells me that there were no previous user info found. I'm sure I enter the same username though : CougTek.

Will it adds the units I'll compute on my second box under the same profile or will it create a new and unecessary one. I don't want to end up like Storageforum_net and StorageForum_net. Doug and others who have multiple computers for one single profile, is it normal that it gives me a second user ID when it starts for the first time on the second machine?

That is strange, I didn't have that problem. Can you run the config util. and change it to your current name? When I installed on other machines, all it asked for was my user name and team number, and also the server. Is it a new version or something? I'd say uninstall it and reinstall it, or try their configuration tool, maybe that will fix the issue.

[CougTek]

I desinstalled and re-installed but it didn't change anything. Going through the user info setup gave no result. So far, I completed 14 of the 30 steps to make one gene so once it's completed, we'll see what happens. I hope I won't see my username appear twice in our team listing. Even if that happens, at least we'll have more units computed for the team so it's not too bad.

I'm running the 0.99 client and I think that it's the same client used on both systems.

[Pradeep]

Whe you say user ID do you mean the id number it retreives from the server? This is a unique number that is contained in the id.dat file I believe. You can have several instances of genome, all with the same username, but the id number should be unique for each. This is why it is important to run ghclient -config if for example you copy an install directory on to another computer. If you have the same id number on 2 seperate computers you may not be credited with all your work!

[Pradeep]

If you can't decipher any of that gibberish above, basically, yes, it is normal for the client to dl a new user ID when run for the first time (as opposed to the username you provided and which will be used in the stats. It says no previous user info found because this a new install you are running.

[Prof.Wizard]

Does Genome@home have a visual-appealing screensaver? Or nothing?

[Handruin]

Nada! Command line interface only from what I can tell.

[CougTek]

Thanks for the explanation Pradeep. I figured it out anyway cause the team's stats only show my username once, although my crunching rate improved slightly, meaning that both my machines were working for a single username.

It's good to have a detailed explanation though.

Coleus Commandos repassed in front of us. I don't know why they come up with a single burst once every week. Anyway, we still beat them in term of weekly production, so eventually, we'll overtake them once again and for good.

Next target : RBNet!

[Prof.Wizard]

What if I ran G@h together with UD? (I run UD as a screensaver)
Would they [ideal] share 50-50% the CPU workload?

[NRG = mc²]

I'm joining too, along with a bunch of friends and so on.

Right now (still downloading the g@h app) there will be the following machines:

- XP1800@1667 MHz (might go higher once I get some time to overclock more)
- Celeron 800@1066
- Celeron T 1.2@1.46
- Duron 1000 (morgan)
- XP1800@1710

a few more machines, will be joining later maybe. It depends on if I can convince everyone to get dump our 6500 units of seti we've been working on the past year or so. If I manage to you can count in all the machines on rotting-energy.net :P

They will probably be all in separate user names but who knows..?

Eat our dust!

[CougTek]

]I'm joining too
Woohoo! This time, RBNet is cooked for sure. :mrgrn:

Shake in your pants Ars, we are coming and we'll make no prisonners!

[Handruin]

Good thing Pradeep mentioned the user ID. The Quad PIII was running the same user ID on all for processes. It did eventually fail, and this may be why. I've since rejoined them and verified they all have their own ID #.

RBNet is sure to be toast. (If I can remember from now on to start Genome@home before I leave for work on my PC :evil: )

[CougTek]

Commandor Coug (commandor now since former captain Douglas sky rocket career jump valued him to be promoted to the rank of General) wants to know what's the reason of the poor enthousiasm showed by rookie soldier Prof.Wizard. Even the inconsistent soldier CougTek 2 is now looking as a good soldier compared to lazy Prof.Wizard.

You better have good reasons for this poor behavior young rookie, or I'll make you do so many push up that you won't feel your arms for the next month!

For now, I charge caporal NRG=MC² of applying the disciplinary measures.

It's not because we defeated our most fierce enemies (Team Pfeffer, Coleus Commandos and RBNet Research Group) recently that we are allowed to rest! The enemy is only waiting for signs of weakness to attack again. Besides, I see lack of motivation as a lack of respect for the ones we lost during our hardly won battles (StorageForum_Net, my sympathies to his family).

So be brave my loyal troups! I foresee many upcoming battles and we need to be ready.

[Prof.Wizard]

http://www.storageforum.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/rotflmao.gif
I'm not running G@h at all times. Only when I'm working on Office XP or surfing the web. Don't forget I'm the Captain of SR's UD team. My efforts are dedicated mainly there... and even there, only as screensaver! Not 24/7.

[Clocker]

Whe you say user ID do you mean the id number it retreives from the server? This is a unique number that is contained in the id.dat file I believe. You can have several instances of genome, all with the same username, but the id number should be unique for each. This is why it is important to run ghclient -config if for example you copy an install directory on to another computer. If you have the same id number on 2 seperate computers you may not be credited with all your work!

So....for any individual machine I need to run the G@H installer on that machine?

C

[Pradeep]

Yes, that is the safest method.

[Clocker]

Thanks P.

C.

[Clocker]

Doug-

WHo are these EMC guys and why aren't they on our team!???

C

[Handruin]

Doug-

WHo are these EMC guys and why aren't they on our team!???

C

I saw them the other day...maybe it's another EMC company? :) Even if it is the same, there are 19000 people...I doubt I know them. :wink:

[Cliptin]

Could someone please send me the installer?

I have forgotten my password and I don't want to register again on the G@h site.

[Pradeep]

Get your client here:

http://gah.stanford.edu/clients.html

:D

[CougTek]

Hmmm....

Despite his name, our NRG seems to be a bit apathetic these days. Too bad, he was crunching at a good pace for us during the short period he did contribute.

[NRG = mc²]

Whoops... forgot to update you guys... can someone please please tell me of a good GUI for this thing so that I can check overall work unit progress and let me cache results, and also hide the damn console window in the system tray or somewhere?

Until then, I'm back on SETI :roll:

[Pradeep]

Whoops... forgot to update you guys... can someone please please tell me of a good GUI for this thing so that I can check overall work unit progress and let me cache results, and also hide the damn console window in the system tray or somewhere?

Until then, I'm back on SETI :roll:

You can cache results by using the -nonet option in the command line or using the "Run off network" option in the genome@home program grouping (which does the same thing).

Try Genome Spy for monitoring:

http://www.franken.de/users/v8/GS/index_eng.htm

[CougTek]

SF team has now designed 1000 genes! Congratulations everyone!!

I don't know any GUI else than the command line window and I don't know how to send the usual window to the system tray. However, I expect great improvements in the soon-to-be-released client 2.0 and I hope it will be good enough for you so that you'll re-join the team.

[Buck]

SF team has now designed 1000 genes! Congratulations everyone!!


When is this supposed to happen? Statsman says 997.

BR

[CougTek]

SF team has now designed 1000 genes! Congratulations everyone!!


When is this supposed to happen? Statsman says 997.

BR
Statsman is always a little late. The most accurate place to see the total number of units done by the team is there (http://gah.stanford.edu/teamstats.html). It's generally updated once every three hours, usually about half an hour before this page (http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/teams/StorageForum_net.html), which is the second most accurate place to see how far we are. Statsman (http://www.statsman.org/genomestats/html/4194.html) is actually the slowest to be updated, but since it's the best looking, it's the one I chose to link on the front page.

You'll remark that the first place I linked doesn't show the number of genes processed, only the number of units. However, you can project the number of genes done by comparing the number of units on this page (http://gah.stanford.edu/teamstats.html) and then check the difference with the number of units showed on this page (http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/teams/StorageForum_net.html) and figure that 1 gene more or less equals 15 units (on average). So when the most up to date number is 80 units bigger than the number on the second most up to date page, you can project that we have done ~5 genes more than the number shown on this page (http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/teams/StorageForum_net.html).

That's how I knew that even if our official Genome@home team stats page showed 997 genes, we were already past 1000 (in fact, we were at 1001) because our total number of units was ~70 units greater on this page (http://gah.stanford.edu/teamstats.html) than on our team page (http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/teams/StorageForum_net.html).

Make sense? If not, don't worry and just trust me. We are beyond 1000.

Normally, the numbers are update at 12:15am, 3:15am, 6:15am, 9:15am, 12:15pm, 3:15pm, 6:15pm and finally 9:15pm. Expect the next update in a bit less than an hour.

[CougTek]

Well Cliptin, you better tweak your computer running the Genome because we will need all the support we can get. Team Pfeffer added two new players to their team and they are coming back on us frighteningly fast!

JoJo, please don't follow NRG=MC² and don't stop to help us. We won't resist without you.

[Handruin]

Well Cliptin, you better tweak your computer running the Genome because we will need all the support we can get. Team Pfeffer added two new players to their team and they are coming back on us frighteningly fast!

JoJo, please don't follow NRG=MC² and don't stop to help us. We won't resist without you.

Oh man, Team Pfeffer's projected outlook is ahead of ours...we need to recruit! What tactics can we use to move forward?

Coug, I will still work on the G@H page for SF, right now I have 2 projects in front of it, one of which is close to being finished, the second is for SF to change over to the new forum. Once I get those finished I'll be right on top of it!.

[CougTek]

http://www.statsman.org/genomestats/html/4194_future.gif

:o

Thanks for your work on the Genome team page, I completly forgot to work on it this week :oops:

Regarding Team Pfeffer, I have a little project of my own to keep them at distance. More on this later if I my plan works.

JoJo, see how badly we need your support.

[Tea]

NRG, I just uploaded Toggle Minimize for you: http://www.redhill.net.au/zip/tminim.zip It's described in the downloads section on the front page - or it will be as soon as Coug gets off his arse and OKs my upload, but the direct link is above. It will minimise anything to the system tray, an absolute essential in my book. Nothing to do, nothing to click, it just watches till you click the minimise dot - er, sorry, in Windows it's the minimise underline - in the top right corner, and then moves the app off your taskbar into the system tray. To restore, just click on it.

Being an OS/2 raised baby, I found the Windows GUI quite unusable for morethan a handful of tasks until I found this little gem. It's freeware too.

PS: I just signed up. Bet you I can calculate more proteins for Genome@home than Tannin can for United Devices!

[CougTek]

It's described in the downloads section on the front page - or it will be as soon as Coug gets off his arse and OKs my upload,...
Coug needs more than the usual 3-4 hours of sleep/day of hairy Aussie. Doug saw it before me though, so you didn't have to wait till I get off my ass.


PS: I just signed up.
Good thing for us. Welcome in the team, monkey.

[Tea]

No results up yet though, because not long after I installed it my system went stupid and I couldn't even close anything using the task manager. Had to hit the reset switch.

Tried again, same result. Normal operation for a while, then screen refuses to update.

Only two things different: (a) PC-cillan loaded on Saturday morning (system ran fine for another 24 hours after that), (b) Genome@home. System crashed after 15 minutes or so. Closed GAH and it's been up for about six hours no problem. Could it be that I had the UD app running at the same time? Or something else?

If it makes a difference, Epox KT-266A, XP 1800 (43 degrees - nice), 512MB, Matrox G450, Tekram SCSI card, Realtek NIC, SB-128.

[CougTek]

I had a few problems running the Genome client on Win9x OS. The safest way to close it when I had to shut the system down was to use ctrl+C. But I presume you use it on Win2K or Os/2.

[Tea]

Win 2000. If it ran under OS/2 I'd have six machines on the go, instead of a lousy one - and that one I have to share with Tannin. :(

[Clocker]

Thx for the download, Tea. I will find it very useful!!

C

[NRG = mc²]

I'm downloading and checking out the apps, thanks. I'll let you know how it goes.

[Cliptin]

I have have just finished setting up G@h on every computer here at home that is up full time. Thats 2xP5-133non-mmx with 64MB and 80MB running NTwkst. The one with 80MB only runs G@h as its purpose in life. I've also set up two G@h sessions on my dualCeleron 533. It has 512MB and runs Win2K. As each session takes only 15-20 MB of memory I'm pretty sure I'm OK here.

G@h and UD ran OK together. No adverse reactions. I have removed UD from my machines in order to focus my efforts.

On all my machines, I'm running G@h as a service. I never even see that it is running. I use cli tools to start, stop and check the status of the services if I need to. I am very grateful to Pradeep for introducing the GenomeSpy tool; now I can check on intermediate progress rather than only checking the stats page. I can provide instructions if necessary.

I am excedingly surprised how peppy NT is. I'm just beside myself. When comparing my P133,80MB,2GFireballTM on NT to my 2xCel533,512MB,8GWDEnterpriseSCSi on Win2K, the P133 is just more snappy. I have not optimised the services running on the machines, but even with G@h running on the P133 it is faster than with nothing installed on the DualCel. I'm now trying to remember why I ever switched over. The only reason I can think of not to switch back is my USB scanner.

[Clocker]

Clippy-
What method are you using for creating a service??

Thanks,
C

[CougTek]

Woooo! Great work guys, we managed to build a small gap (252 units) between us and Team Pfeffer. It the first day in maybe a week that we process more units than they do. The war isn't over, we might be able to resist!

[The JoJo]

Hi everyone!

Been a BIT busy lately, and having some noisy motherboard fans again :(

Sold my Quantum Atlas3 SCA 18GB, put some noise insulating material in my case, bought some 19db pPapst fans ... And now I'm looking for some more storage, a 18GB x15-36lp, Atlas10k3 18gb and a Samsung 80gb are not enough.

Anyway, due to the "sound" problems mentioned above, the computer has been down during the nights, hopefully it's better now so it'l be up 24/7 again! And I'm putting my girlfriends 333MHz P2 to work, as soon as I find the WinXP version of the client...

Back to work, and to the crunching!!!

[Pradeep]

The Windows client should work in all versions including winXP.

[CougTek]

That's good news JoJo. We badly need you 24/7. Team Pfeffer finally manged to pass us, but it doesn't mean we cannot reverse the steam.

I hope NRG=MC² will also be able to install the client so that it won't disturb him anymore.

[Buck]

Yes, seeing team Pfeffer pass by was not nice. I wish we had more computing power.

[Handruin]

Maybe you guys can help me out. On the quad Xeon, I have 4 instances of genome running, each instance in a separate directory and has a unique user ID number, but uses my name for results.

The problem is, every few days the client stops process units and eventually I have to go back in and start all of them again. How do I keep them running in Linux RH 7.2?

I was issuing this command using the root account:

nohup ./ghclient.x &

I ran that command so that I could log out of the account and let it run. Is there a better way to run it as a "service" like in windows? This would help us out a great amount as the damn thing stops every few days and I forget to check it.

[Cliptin]

Until you get better intel Handruin, you should set up an cron job to stop and restart the process. If you can easily come up with an appropriate time span ,that is.

[Cliptin]

Until you get better intel Handruin, you should set up an cron job to stop and restart the process. If you can easily come up with an appropriate time span ,that is.

[flagreen]

What's the team number?

[CougTek]

678294834

[Pradeep]

I believe the linux client is not quite as stable as the windows version. Or it could be that trademark IntelDodgyMath :D

[Buck]

I think the Bartender has begun to pull his weight at last! When do we pass Pfeffer again!?! Tea, we would like, nay, we require your assistance! Please summon Tannin to his feet, and pull his nose out of updating redhill.net. Assemble some machines and run Windows or some sort (NT 4.0 Workstation will be great).

[Tea]

Genome @ Home does horrible things to my one and only net-connected Windows machine, good Sir. Tannin and I will have to put our heads together to figure out why. Somewhere in amongst the 17 other things we meant to do today.

All our other machines, about six of them, either don't run Windows or have no Internet connection.

[timwhit]

Tannin, Didn't you ever get ICS working?

[Cliptin]

How to share an Internet connection for little or no cost (http://www.os2ezine.com/v1n14/socks.htm) = A basic guide to setting up a SOCKS server under OS/2

Now get on it!

[Cliptin]

The computer with his modem is OS/2.

[Cliptin]

Tannin, You could also run the client until such time as you can figure out how to network the machine. It will just keep working if you use the no net option.

[Cliptin]

Or one of these other fine methods. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os%2F2+modem+sharing)

[Tannin]

Thanks Cliptin! I'll give that method a go. Actually I shouldn't need to, I already have internet connection sharing installed on my network (thanks to some help from Sol), it has come out of the box with OS/2 since, er 1996 or '93, I forget if it was version 4.0 or 3.0. ECS (lastest version) comes bundled with firewalls and servers and all sorts of fancy stuff.

I just have to take some time to figure out which of my settings is wrong on the main server, as I can TCP/IP happily away within the LAN, just not get outside the LAN.

This SOCKS thingie gives me an alternative method. That might be easier.

As a third alternative, I recently acquired a bit of dedicated hardware, a Bay Networks switch thingie with a half-dozen 10Mb/s network sockets and a 56k modem. They still cost a fortune but I got this one for nix. (That's "nothing", not "Unix".) It has a built in DHCP server in firmware.

So, method (a), method (b) or method (c)?

(Tannin! If you'd stop playing with those stupid MFM drives and drag youself into the 20th Century for a half hour now and then, you would have fixed all that stuff up years ago!)

(Oh shutup, Tea.)

[Cliptin]

While you get up and running, harass Merc to get his farm up.

[CougTek]

Our Bartender has been on steroids lately. More productive than even Doug. Impressive. We now have four members in the three digits/day processed units, plus another who's very close to that beat too (JoJo).

This has allowed us to keep the pace with team Pfeffer during the last two days, not bad at all. All we need is either another 3 digits/day member or several smaller regular contributors and we might overtake team Pfeffer again.

But I'm not putting pressure on anyone to join the team. This project is only based on volontary contributions. I won't put a gun on anyone's head; I'm not Texan, I'm Québécois ;-)

[Handruin]

Our Bartender has been on steroids lately. More productive than even Doug. Impressive. We now have four members in the three digits/day processed units, plus another who's very close to that beat too (JoJo).

This has allowed us to keep the pace with team Pfeffer during the last two days, not bad at all. All we need is either another 3 digits/day member or several smaller regular contributors and we might overtake team Pfeffer again.

But I'm not putting pressure on anyone to join the team. This project is only based on volontary contributions. I won't put a gun on anyone's head; I'm not Texan, I'm Québécois ;-)

Sorry Coug, the a-mail must have bounce because I have not received anything yet. handruin.com is no longer in service so it will be lost in the land of misguided e-mail.

I should be able to receive up to 25 MB in an e-mail according to Burst, but I haven't tried it. Let me know if you can't get the FTP to work, I not going to leave it open like that for long.

[The JoJo]

Look at the stats people! Looking good :) !

[NRG = mc²]

I've started running it again. For the time being anyway. Toggle Minimise puts anything I minimise in the tray and that sucks... bleh.

I'm looking for something else that will only minimise the programs I select. Oh and that Genome spy is junk :roll:

The search continues.

[CougTek]

NRG=MC²,

Hopefully, your return will fill the hole created by the departure of Bartender's soon-to-be-gone customers' box.

BTW, is "several box" writen "box" or "boxes"? My pocket dictionary doesn't tell me.

[Buck]

NRG=MC²,

Hopefully, your return will fill the hole created by the departure of Bartender's soon-to-be-gone customers' box.

BTW, is "several box" writen "box" or "boxes"? My pocket dictionary doesn't tell me.

boxes

...and, they are boxes, as I do assemble plenty. So, as one goes, another gets hooked up. This makes the Bartender's input inconsistent (as you may have noticed). I'm also in the process of assembling an 8-port switch box so that I can run more than a couple systems at once when assembling boxes.

[Tea]

Toggle Minimise puts anything I minimise in the tray and that sucks... bleh.

Huh?

That's what it's for. Why on earth would you want minimized apps clogging up the task bar?

[Cliptin]

Maybe he doesn't know about alt-tab.

[NRG = mc²]

What I meant was I was looking for a program that will let me minimise the programs that _I_ want to the tray - not all of them. I'm running it there in the task bar as usual till I find something that will let me select what to put in the tray and leave the rest alone in the taskbar. :wink:

Right now I've got a P3-733/256mb and a XP1800@1667MHz/512mb working on it.

[Tea]

But why would you want a minimized app in your taskbar? (I'm not arguing here, just don't understand.)

[timwhit]

So the app will be out of the way. If it is something that you want open but don't want clogging up the taskbar, the best place to put it is in the tray. Since it will take up less room there.

[Buck]

It's nice having my 8-port KVM switch operational. Presently I'm only running three systems through it, but I like the extra space. I'll need to get some more cables too.

[Handruin]

But why would you want a minimized app in your taskbar? (I'm not arguing here, just don't understand.)

I like having items minimized in the task bar to allow for easy switching. If all my open programs minimized into one little icon next to my clock, it would add another click to open it and find them.

ALT + TAB is great, but not always the best way to find all my open programs. :)

[Clocker]

I like how WInXP lets your previes what is actually inside the window you might be switching to while alt-tabbing.....

C

[Clocker]

OMG my mid-year resolution is to improve my god dam typing.

Sorry guys. It has got to be either really amusing or really annoying!

I'm resolved to doing a better job!

C

[Tea]

Huh? Extra click? What on earth are you guys talking about? There is no extra click involved. Move mouse to over minimized app, left-click once, app is restored to whatever state you left it in (windowed or full screen). Where is this "extra click" coming from?

[Handruin]

Huh? Extra click? What on earth are you guys talking about? There is no extra click involved. Move mouse to over minimized app, left-click once, app is restored to whatever state you left it in (windowed or full screen). Where is this "extra click" coming from?

I'm confused then. I thought the utility minimized applications into one icon located in the area next to the clock, or the "notification area" as MS calls it :?:

I guess I should install it and see what the hell I'm guessing about.

[Cliptin]

Without having installed it but based on other minimizers i have run in the past, I imagine it minimizes each application to its own tray icon.

The hard part is deftly hovering over a tray icon at high resolution to figure out which one you want to restore.

I usually have 8-10 windows open. Alt-tab is king.

[Tea]

For only 8 - 10 windows, Alt-Tab is perfect, or, if you prefer to mouse around, a sideways start bar works well. (i.e., down the left, not across the bottom - a Windows start bar across the bottom of the screen where there is only room for two or three readable items is a guaranteed signal that the user is a moron who can't visualise more than two tasks at the same time. Or, if you like to think of it this way, a natural-born Windows user.)

For this OS/2 coddled baby, 8 - 10 windows is ... well, I'd just as soon run DOS and be done with it. I almost never have less than 20 windows open on a Windows box, more commonly 30-40 and alt-tab is not much help. On my OS/2 boxes 50 or 60 tasks is routine.

Under OS/2, this is very managable via a superb old $10 shareware tool called Taskbar. It's the thing that the Windows taskbar is a very poor copy of. Amongst too many other nice features to mention, Taskbar sorts everything in Z-order. This is brilliant and I have never been able to understand why there is, to the best of my knowledge, no equivalent under Windows.

The great thing about Z-order sorting is that you always know where your applications are - the most recently used one is (assuming you have the bar on the left) about 1cm up from the bottom left corner of the screen, the second most recently used app is a half centimetre above that, and so on.

If you are switching between lots of apps, using groups of two or three, this just can't be beat. For example, I tend to use Mozilla for on-line banking, Quicken for accounts, and Quattro Pro for prices all at the same time. I flip back and forth between them eight or ten times whenever I balance the cheque book, which takes five minutes nearly every day. Then I leave them open, but start doing something else. I'll probably have a different set of apps open: Quattro again, plus PM Fax to read supplier price bulletins, plus Acrobat for more detailed price lists, and PMMail for emailed stuff. I flick back and forwards between them, probably between four different emails too, while I update our internal price list and decide who to order from today.

Then I have a quote to prepare: Quattro for the prices, Describe for the ten-page document that we give to people thinking about systems, and Word to type the quote itself in. Maybe they have faxed a query, so I'll want to refer to that as well.

Then at home I'm updating my web page: PMView to look at the illustrations with, two or three web browsers to see the working copy, EditPlus to make changes to the text with, maybe Quattro if I need performance calculations, another copy of PMView to look at an alternative illustration with (side-by side with the first copy - which is the better shot?), plus numerous other things at lower priority: a half-dozen windows for Storage Forum and SR, various other web pages, maybe the manufacturer's specs page, Google .... the list goes on.

What I'm trying to get at here is that I (and I'm sure this is equally true of most users) tend to use apps in "families" of three or four, switching contexts between these different "families" of tasks every now andf then. Only Taskbar lets my computer do this in a completely transparent and effortless way.

With Windows, even with the help of Toggle Minimise, I have to try to remember that my present foreground task, the job I'm mainly working on right now, is 17th from the top, and the two main associated tasks are numbers 14 and 3. Hopeless. With Taskbar, without my even having to think about it at all, they are #1 #2 and #3. Vastly more practical.

And, ohhhh, for a Windows version of it.

Err, did I answer your question Doug? I think not. Yup, it makes icons in your system tray, one for each minimized task. And yes, NRG, it's a pain trying to hit the right one with your mouse button sometimes, especially if you have been associating with our good Bartender too much.

Damn it! What the hell am I doing inside? Today is perfect.

(Don't start bloody proof-reading, Tea, just hit SUBMIT and come outside with me. Please?)

(OK.)

[timwhit]

To the best of my understanding, the utility minimizes an application to the left of the clock (system tray), so that it is out of the way. The reason you would want to do this is so that if you tons of different things open your task bar gets cluttered. If there are a couple things on the task bar that you never need to click on, but you want to keep open, the tray is a much better place to keep them than on the already cluttered task bar.

Tannin, why don't you make your task bar double or triple height? That way you can keep a lot more windows open and still tell what they are. Still there is no way that I know of to rearrange the order of things on the task bar. Unless you open everything in the correct order to begin with.

[Tea]

Double height? How do you do that? I hate the way Windows goes to two illogically-sorted colums the moment you start to do anthing much. (Taskbar does that without being asked, of course.)

[timwhit]

Just hover the mouse over the top edge of the task bar until you see one of those dual arrow pointers and then click and drag up to the desired height.

Here is a picture of my taskbar:

http://www.usarosebuds.com/taskbar.gif

[Tea]

Ohh. That's double width the way I think about it. Damn! I thoiught there was a real improvement to be had there. I thought you meant extending the taskbar so that it scrolls off the top of the screen (right-hand side of the screen if you have it horizontal). Of course, with no z-order sorting, that might be kind of useless.

Bloody Windows.

[timwhit]

Bloody old people, always talking about the past and how much better it was. :)

[flagreen]

Well that's simian logic for you. "Monkey see", doesn't always "monkey do". :D

[James]

Ohh. That's double width the way I think about it. Damn! I thoiught there was a real improvement to be had there. I thought you meant extending the taskbar so that it scrolls off the top of the screen (right-hand side of the screen if you have it horizontal). Of course, with no z-order sorting, that might be kind of useless.

It's not z-ordering, but it does group programs by category :

http://www.hace.us-inc.com/texecute.shtml

... I don't know what it's like, but perhaps it's a start.

[timwhit]

Doesn't WinXP allow you to group applications under one button in the taskbar? i.e. if you have 3 IE windows open it will put them all under one entry.

Though I find it to be annoying and confusing for most people, so I always disable it on people's systems when I install XP.

I won't run XP on my system until I absolutely have to. I still see no benefit to it over 2k, my favorite OS of all time.

[timwhit]

Do a search for taskbar replacement on google. You will find many, many replacements...you could try them all until you find one that emulates what you are looking for. There has to be one that copied the Taskbar utility better than MS did.

[Tea]

Tim, I have tried them all. Well, a great many of them, anyway. No matter, I only use Windows at home. The real work I use OS/2 for.

Looking at James' link now.

[Cliptin]

Not to beat a dead horse but alt-tab does z-ordering. :lol: It is not much use if you have 30 of the same program open though.

The newest nvidia drivers allow you to run multiple desktops. For linux fans, it works just like ctrl-alt-F#. At least it work this way for my 2MX400.

NRG = mc², are you opposed to running genome as a service?

[Pradeep]

Hydravision from ATI has had multiple desktops for quite sometime. They now have ver 3 in beta, available here (I'm not game to try it)

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/misc/hydravision3-00-120.html

[Buck]

Our Bartender has been on steroids lately. More productive than even Doug.

Don't forget that the Bartender is also Storageforum_net and StorageForum_net. One account is dormant, since it was mistakenly entered.

[NRG = mc²]

OK, dont know why I didnt think of this before, but now managed to install as a service on my XP box. I'll have to restart it and check that everything is OK, and then if so, install it on the P3-733, and tommorow I'll get a Celeron 1.2@1.46 in the game, next week, Duron 1000 and some other boxes later on. Perhaps I can convince my other flatmate to stop saying "my CPU power is mine" (Celeron 1.2 on Asus Terminator)and get him running this too. Actually its not a big deal anyway because the only time his machine is on is when he's playing games so its not even worth the bother. Its also seldom connected to the net (the hub is one port short so one of us has to swap cables from time to time, the rare times he's not plaing games on it.)

[Buck]

NRG,

I'd like to get your impression of the Duron vs Celeron. I have a Duron 800 (that will be leaving the pack on Friday) that seems slow compared to a PIII 933EB and a PIII 667EB.

BR

[Cliptin]

Not to beat a dead horse but alt-tab does z-ordering. :lol: It is not much use if you have 30 of the same program open though.

The newest nvidia drivers allow you to run multiple desktops. For linux fans, it works just like ctrl-alt-F#. At least it work this way for my 2MX400.

NRG = mc², are you opposed to running genome as a service?

[Cliptin]

I don't know how ^ that happened.

Buck, On these pages it shows how to use GenomeSpy as a benchmarking tool for G@h.

http://www.franken.de/users/v8/GS/Eng_3_PI.htm
http://www.franken.de/users/v8/GS/Ger_3_PI.htm

Good luck! This is the knid of information we need to drop below 50.

[NRG = mc²]

NRG,

I'd like to get your impression of the Duron vs Celeron. I have a Duron 800 (that will be leaving the pack on Friday) that seems slow compared to a PIII 933EB and a PIII 667EB.

BR

You want benchmarks or? I remember when we benchmarked a Duron 1000 with DDR memory and MSI K7T266 Pro 2 (not the duron that will be used for G@H, someone else's), they were mostly on par with eachother (Celeron 1.2@1.3 at the time) in most things (Superpi, Povray and Mathmark IIRC)

If you want any more info I can run benchmarks with the celeron at 1.46 and the duron 1000 with sdram (Asus TUV4X and MSI KT133A based board...)

[NRG = mc²]

Oh yeah - I recruited another machine - XP1800...

Username: BrwmogazoS

[Pradeep]

I don't know how ^ that happened.


Hmm an error with phpBB?

[Handruin]

I don't know how ^ that happened.


Hmm an error with phpBB?

Could be, but looking at the source of the post it doesn't have anything except the "^". :)

[Pradeep]

Sorry, I meant the post above the one I quoted. The one about alt-tab does z-ordering. there's a double post about 12 hours apart :o

[Handruin]

I dunno how that happened...indeed it is very odd.

[Buck]

The Duron 800 system I had crunching for a few days is being delivered in a few hours. An XP 1600+ could be leaving in a few days. So, I brought an Athlon Thunderbird 1400C online to help. This should the usual three dual systems I have running at present. When I get the motherboard and CPU from Groltz, I hope to bring that online for a bit.

[The JoJo]

Uhhh, does anyone have a port 80->10100 proxy? Up and running ? I'm behind a firewall at work, and can only get out by port 80.

Until they get a new client that supports using that port for communication, my laptop at work can only sit idle :(

[Pradeep]

I believe http proxy support will be included in ver 2.0 of the client (just around the corner they say). Many people are waiting to start up their office fleets when that is implemented.

[Pradeep]

Of course the solution if you have a laptop is simple. When you take it home, get it to download a unit. Then run with the Run off network option (-nonet) whilst at work, it will rerun the unit with a diff variation, and won't need to connect to the Net.

[NRG = mc²]

Timwhit, I notice you're running the GUI of seti, how come you're not using the CMD version? Its much faster and lets you use programs such as Seti Driver which lets you do all sorts of stuff like queueing units, user defined processes for SMP and such.

If only something like this existed for Seti Driver then it would make it much more interesting.

Anyone who can program intereted in developing something?

www.rotting-energy.net/Forums/sdriver.png

[NRG = mc²]

Whoops that should read if only there was something like this for Genome@home

[timwhit]

I don't really care that much. I tried the command line version awhile ago and it didn't make a difference.

[The JoJo]

Thanks for the advice!

I've put a friends 500MHz Celeron box to work, and another computer which CPU speed I don't know yet, need to check it out (1GHz I think).

So using the following computer at the moment:
XP1800
P2 333MHz
Celeron 500MHz
~1GHz

[Pradeep]

Nice work! :mrgrn:

[NRG = mc²]

Didn't see any difference?? Used to take 9 hours on my old Athlon t-bird 1000@1333, swapping to CMD took it down to 5:15 or so.

[CougTek]

I'm glad to see JoJo computing as many units as myself and Kevin. We are now doing more than 6000 units/week, very impressive for a relatively small team like ours.

Bartender, when will your systems be picked up by your customers? I'm starting to worry about my #2 spot :roll: Just joking, it's great that you can offer us that much computing power.

Doug, is one of your system down? You have slowed down since a few days. Still having problems with the Linux client?

BTW, my second box is doing quite a competition to PeeWee in the lower section of the stats page. Will P.W. let himself be beaten by a secretary (the person who uses that system)? :lol:

[Prof.Wizard]

BTW, my second box is doing quite a competition to PeeWee in the lower section of the stats page. Will P.W. let himself be beaten by a secretary (the person who uses that system)? :lol:
Man, LOL, glad you said that (and kudos to energy who ICQed me the thread to my attention...):
I'M GONNA LET IT ALL NIGHT CRUNCHING TONIGHT HONEY! :P :P

[Tannin]

Tryng again ..... Last time G@H made my system unstable. Seems to be working OK at present. Touch wood.

[The JoJo]

Hi people!

We seem to be crunching along quite well, way to go people!!!! Keep up the good work!

If there only was a client that could handle http traffic, then I could use a few more computers at work to help us out... :(

[Buck]

Bartender, when will your systems be picked up by your customers? I'm starting to worry about my #2 spot :roll: Just joking, it's great that you can offer us that much computing power.

The systems have been delivered, I just assemble and hookup new ones. The newer ones have been faster CPUs too. This has allowed me to take my my personal system off Genome (it needs a rest). Also, Storageforum_net has stopped crunching, all of his time is now spent as the Bartender.

[Handruin]

I'm glad to see JoJo computing as many units as myself and Kevin. We are now doing more than 6000 units/week, very impressive for a relatively small team like ours.

Bartender, when will your systems be picked up by your customers? I'm starting to worry about my #2 spot :roll: Just joking, it's great that you can offer us that much computing power.

Doug, is one of your system down? You have slowed down since a few days. Still having problems with the Linux client?

BTW, my second box is doing quite a competition to PeeWee in the lower section of the stats page. Will P.W. let himself be beaten by a secretary (the person who uses that system)? :lol:

I noticed last night that we were crunching 6K a week!! Unfortunately my stats are dropping because I can't keep the Linux box crunching. I'm going to try uninstalling the client and reinstalling it to see if that makes any difference. I'll try rebooting the server also to see if something weird is going on with Linux. It's been up for over a month now. (not that it can't handle it). I might have screwed something up in the install...I'll see what I can do.

I still have 3 systems crunching 24x7, and the Quad Xeon was giving me a little extra boost until it stopped working. :) Maybe I'll throw Win 2K on it. ;)

[Cliptin]

We have a friend of mine crunching for us now. Dozer brings a squad of 2 ~800MHz pIIIs and should show up on the charts tomorrow.

I will bring up my new Duron 850 in the next couple days.

You may have noticed that I have been overproducing of late. I decided to bite the bullet and fire up the machine I use for gaming that sits in my bedroom. It runs 24/7 now. Did you ever notice how an X15 makes a perpetual high pitched ringing? I can tell you that noise does weird stuff to your dreams!

[Clocker]

The systems have been delivered, I just assemble and hookup new ones. The newer ones have been faster CPUs too. This has allowed me to take my my personal system off Genome (it needs a rest). Also, Storageforum_net has stopped crunching, all of his time is now spent as the Bartender.

Just configure G@H to run as a service and your customers can all help us without even knowing it! All your customers could be on the SF Team! :-P J/K

C

[Sol]

I just started running the Gnome client with the offline option. Anyone how long will it keep going before it needs more data to work on?

[Pradeep]

I just started running the Gnome client with the offline option. Anyone how long will it keep going before it needs more data to work on?

It'll keep running happily on -nonet forever. I've run it for 3-4 weeks while I was away and it was still running fine when I got back.

[Pradeep]

One thing to keep in mind is to make sure it is crunching on a large gene (70-80+ AA), as otherwise the mb usage when you finally upload can get costly for people on dl limited dial up :(

[Buck]

Too bad our team is not into the millions yet. :roll:

[Pradeep]

Too bad our team is not into the millions yet. :roll:

:?:

[Buck]

Too bad our team is not into the millions yet. :roll:

:?:

Oops, thinking out loud . . . into the millions of units calculated.

[Tea]

Hmmm .... good news, I think. My XP 1800 has been running G@H for two or three days now and hasn't crashed. It was hopeless before. I think it hates the UD software. Since I disabled the UD G@H seems to be stable.

[CougTek]

Too bad our team is not into the millions yet. :roll:
Well, we aren't quite up to the level of these teams yet. If we compare our production to the one of mega-units teams, we would be the weakest of them all. Although we are close to the beat of team Picard and team Genome Research Group (both at ~9300 units/week), our 6300 units/week is just not enough to compete with the best.

Still, we have no reason to be ashamed. Of all the 1245 teams, only the following teams are crunching faster than us :
#58 Bulgarian Networks : ~12300 units/week
#47 The Lab : ~7800 units/week
#42 TechIMO : ~6500 units/week
#35 Team Evil : ~10200 units/week
#33 EASILYADDICTIVEdotcom : ~6700 units/week
#30 Team ADD : ~7200 units/week
#29 GENEtals : ~14000 units/week
#27 Phoenix_Rising : ~16600 units/week
#26 FreeDC : ~8300 units/week
#25 WWW_AMDMB_COM : ~32400 units/week (!)
#22 SpeedGuide : ~20000 units/week
#20 TDIclub : ~8800 units/week
As well as the first 17 teams.

All in all, despite our low number, we are still the 30th producing team WORLDWIDE. Not bad huh?

[Handruin]

Once I can get my new desk purchased (waiting for a truck to get it shipped here), I plan on building a second machine and adding it to the genome crunch farm. :) I'll try and get some people at work to join, I know one of the coworkers lets his machine run 24x7...so why not help us out, eh? :)

I think we are all doing awesome for a small team!!!

[Mercutio]

If I wasn't encoding video much of the time, I'd have some machines to throw in as well. Maybe I could throw in some of the machines at the training company where I work instead.

Would 16 K6-3/450s crunching for 12 hours or so a week actually be helpful, though? I wouldn't run it when I wasn't in the classroom. Does the client fit on a floppy, by chance?

Personally the ill-defined motives of the Genome@Home project are a bit bothersome, but less so than UD Cancer thing.

[Handruin]

If I wasn't encoding video much of the time, I'd have some machines to throw in as well. Maybe I could throw in some of the machines at the training company where I work instead.

Would 16 K6-3/450s crunching for 12 hours or so a week actually be helpful, though? I wouldn't run it when I wasn't in the classroom. Does the client fit on a floppy, by chance?

Personally the ill-defined motives of the Genome@Home project are a bit bothersome, but less so than UD Cancer thing.

If running G@H on those machines doesn't cause a burden on your shoulders, I think the shear mass of machines you mentioned could potential crunch a decent amount of units. Even if it's only for 12 hours or so a week.

Do you let those video encoding machines run through the night? (I'm guessing yes) If not, could you tap that resource?

[CougTek]

The damn client stopped working late last evening on my most powerful system so I wasted more than 10 hours of possible work, ARRGGHH!!! It crunched only one sequence (on 30) of a 67 positions gene in 10 hours, where it usually does at least two of these genes in the same amount of time.

I don't know why the cllient sometimes freeze like that for no reason. I hope it won't happen with the upcoming client 2.0 because it's very frustrating.

[Mercutio]

Do you let those video encoding machines run through the night? (I'm guessing yes) If not, could you tap that resource?

On a given night I'm probably using at least half of my machines full-out. Netflix keeps me happily crunching away at new video. :)

Among the rest, two are laptops, the faster a Celeron 433, the slower a P5/233. One is an HP Unix workstation, one a Sun (which is getting on in years, now). The other two that aren't encoding are serving the files that the others are working on.

I'll have to see what I can do as far as setting up a lab full of computers. I may be able to do that and may not.

[Bartender]

I'm knockin' at your back door Coug.

[Clocker]

Do you let those video encoding machines run through the night? (I'm guessing yes) If not, could you tap that resource?

On a given night I'm probably using at least half of my machines full-out. Netflix keeps me happily crunching away at new video. :)

Among the rest, two are laptops, the faster a Celeron 433, the slower a P5/233. One is an HP Unix workstation, one a Sun (which is getting on in years, now). The other two that aren't encoding are serving the files that the others are working on.

I'll have to see what I can do as far as setting up a lab full of computers. I may be able to do that and may not.

What model HP workstation do you have Merc? I use a J6000 although there are several 5000's 5600's and even an old 3000 around here as well as some crappy old Sun Sparc stations....wish I could get Genome running on them but I dan't even get past the firewall. Besides, I like having a job...helps pay for bills and stuff.

C

[CougTek]

I'm knockin' at your back door Coug.
I kinda noticed, thank you. Unfortunately, I cannot go any faster. You weren't able to overtake me with your Storageforum_net profile, but now it seems you will. Unless you lower your pace somehow, I doubt I'll be able to reach you again later on as I don't plan to add any other boxes for the Genome soon.

Doug should be behind you in a few weeks too.

[Mercutio]

I have an *old* HP, C.

It's a model 715. I think it's about 80MHz. It might be as fast as 110MHz. I don't really care. It's my firewall/mail relay. Not that I have anything to firewall at home. I use it to read mail and be all OpenBSD-ishly impeneterable. More than fast enough for what it's for.

[CougTek]

Our stats page (http://www.statsman.org/genomestats/html/4194.html) has changed slightly. The layout of the link in the top left corner are placed horizontaly and there's a new link to the Java version of the page.

Dunno who did that, but I like it.

[CougTek]

Incredible, I'm currently calculating a gene with 96 positions to filter! First time ever I see a gene with more than 94 positions. I'm so proud!
.
.
.
Hmmm...

I think I'm gonna go out and breath some fresh air.

[Buck]

Be careful with the fresh air. It becomes addictive and you'll neve want to go back inside! :D

I've noticed that you get more positions to filter if you have a system that is constantly calculating and uploading data - or am I just hallucinating again?

[Clocker]

I think I just had one with 99 positions. Is that what the numbers are that scroll down the command prompt window just before it really starts crunching?

Clocker

[Mercutio]

Huh? Fresh air? Out-side?


Oh. The place with no ceiling and all the dirt.

Hm? That's addictive? I guess it should be regulated or something.

[Buck]

Huh? Fresh air? Out-side?


Oh. The place with no ceiling and all the dirt.

Hm? That's addictive? I guess it should be regulated or something.

Yes, that place. I'd show you pictures, but you disable your images in the browser. Oh, and there are places where the "outside" is free of gun fire, noise and air pollution. However, this does require the movement of your body, some know it as walking, others view it as work. Plus, when you're outside, and the light goes out, don't try replacing the bulb, it will come back the next morning. :D

[CougTek]

I think I just had one with 99 positions.
Bravo, did you really had to burst my bubble? ;-)

It must be very recent because it still doesn't appear in your stats. I passed throught all of them and none of your genes had 99 residus.

[Cliptin]

One of mine is working on one with 98. :roll:

My no loger have a prefix of "phase2". They are all "RMSD0#", where # is a single digit number. Are we out of the beta phase of the project?

[Handruin]

*cough* *cough*

http://www.storageforum.net/forums/images/ghc.jpg

:wink:

[CougTek]

The Genome@home stats server has been down for quite a while. It's frustrating that it continues to work for the top teams but not for most of the others. They should really do something to enhance their uptime. So far, it's been so bad that it makes me wonder if they are running their server on Windows. There hasn't been a week without a hick for the stats server since I started.

[Tannin]

Ahh ... Is that what is happening. Tea has been getting quite frustrated. All that crunching on her nice new Athlon 1800 and nothing showing up.

[Handruin]

I thought something strange was going on. I rebuilt the linux box and started the ghclient 2.0 on it. I was hoping my stats would increase but I couldn't see a difference yet.

[Tannin]

Still down.

[Pradeep]

Pradeep_frontbottom


Last updated on Sun May 5 15:29:26 PDT 2002

Member of team Overclockers-Network # 567443298

Current rank: 419 out of 18104 users
Total units processed: 26745.67
Total genes designed: 1963
Genoming since: Fri Mar 23 09:00:00 2001
Last unit returned: Sun May 5 00:00:00 2002 (PDT)


Working ok for me now. Keep in mind Statsman takes a while to update after an outage.

[CougTek]

Ok, it finally came back on service. Congrats to Bartender for overtaking me during the stats server downtime.

I won't compute as fast as I use to in the next few days because my second fastest computer has moved and it's not yet connected to the Net. I should be back to my usual 1000 units/week beat next week.

[Pradeep]

Run it on -nonet Coug, then you will have a nice big dump when you get it back online.

[CougTek]

Pradeep,

I would have done this but I wasn't the one who moved the box. However, when I'll move in two months, I won't forget to do that.


BTW, is it just me or the Genome@home client give us bigger genes to calculate these days? Both my systems running at home are crunching 97 positions genes right now.

[Pradeep]

Yes they swapped over to a new structure, that's why there was a burp in the stats.

[NRG = mc²]

woohoo 1000 units :mrgrn:

[Prof.Wizard]

BTW, is it just me or the Genome@home client give us bigger genes to calculate these days? Both my systems running at home are crunching 97 positions genes right now.

LOL, what is a 97-position gene? :-?

[James]

LOL, what is a 97-position gene? :-?
Obviously one that has been studying the Karma Sutra. ;)

[CougTek]

That's a gene with 97 positions to filter. These aren't my terms, that's how the client call them. Once they are calculate, they call the positions residues. Check the command line windows of the G@h client and this page (http://www.biochem.ucl.ac.uk/bsm/pdbsum/3hvp/main.html) for instance.

[Prof.Wizard]

Obviously one that has been studying the Karma Sutra. ;)
Kama Sutra. :wink:

[Prof.Wizard]

These aren't my terms, that's how the client call them.
Yeah, I know. These "positions" somehow stand for the complexity of the genome sequence to decode (as many of you have already noticed how 90-position genes take much more time than 70-position ones)...

I just wanted to make sure that (AFAIK) positions in a gene isn't a term of the biological sciences.

[Pradeep]

Don't worry, the stats are weighted so that you get more credit for a "bigger" gene.

[Cliptin]

These aren't my terms, that's how the client call them.
Yeah, I know. These "positions" somehow stand for the complexity of the genome sequence to decode (as many of you have already noticed how 90-position genes take much more time than 70-position ones)...

I just wanted to make sure that (AFAIK) positions in a gene isn't a term of the biological sciences.

My interpretation has assumed the number of positions to be the length of the gene sequence. In other words, you get a gene of 46/82/99 positions and you compute 30 variations of those positions. Because a particular computer only computes 30 variations (excluding -nonet) that same gene must be sent to many more people than a smaller gene.

[CougTek]

StorageForum_net Genome@home team has entered the top-100 teams in term of total crunched units.

Congratulations guys. Still only 99 to go before we meat team Ars Technica face to face ;-)

[Buck]

Yes, good work on our part. However, we do have big battles ahead of us. I need a nice order for 20 systems that I can all hook up for 24 hours and crunch genome during that time to . . . ahem . . . test the systems.

[Bartender]

Big battles? What are you talking about Buck? You haven't crunched a gene to save your life. Our number one man Handruin should be thanked, although I saw that Coug has filtered a protein with 11 genes - good job Coug.

[Cliptin]

I was able to find teams that we will have trouble with before we get to 50.
Among them Hogville & Docteur PC.

Check out ARS's SETI recruiting drive. It's actually kind of funny.
http://www.teamlambchop.com/

[CougTek]

I saw that Coug has filtered a protein with 11 genes - good job Coug.
Where and how did you saw that?

[Buck]

I saw that Coug has filtered a protein with 11 genes - good job Coug.
Where and how did you saw that?

I saw that information here: http://gah.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/userpage.pl?q=CougTek

Protein Designed:
HIV CAPSID C-TERMINAL DOMAIN 11 genes

[Cliptin]

Handruin is doing some mighty fine research if I do say so.

TYPE III ANTIFREEZE PROTEIN ISOFORM HPLC 12

BOVINE PANCREATIC TRYPSIN INHIBITOR (/BPTI$) MUTANT

[CougTek]

I thought this only meant that I calculated 11 times the same gene, not that the protein had 11 genes.

[Buck]

I thought this only meant that I calculated 11 times the same gene, not that the protein had 11 genes.

You could be right Coug, what I said was just my own logical assumption. HAH! Got that one wrong.

[Cliptin]

I'm commin' for ya NRG.

Your next JoJo.

muhaahaha.

[Prof.Wizard]

My interpretation has assumed the number of positions to be the length of the gene sequence. In other words, you get a gene of 46/82/99 positions and you compute 30 variations of those positions.
Variations of positions? Changing the sequence of the code changes the gene itself, Cliptin.

(Mutations with dire effects on an organism can even happen by changing only one of the nitrogenous bases of the gene in question, imagine if you swap whole codon sequences...)

[Cliptin]

Blah blah blah, stuff about genes.

:bow: :monky:
When you gonna climb out of the team basement PeeWee?
:wink: ______________________________________ :stpd:

[Prof.Wizard]

When I'll stop being SR's UD Team Captain...

[NRG = mc²]

Dream on, Cliptin!

OK, time to get off my chair and tell the others in the house to install Genome!

You think you can hack it?

XP1800@1667
P3-733
Duron 1000@1150
Celeron 1.2@1.46

I could always install it on the other machines (the owners of which cant be bothered to run it), celeron 1.2 and katmai p3-550.

Don't count on passing me any time soon :wink:

[Clocker]

All talk no action.

[Buck]

All talk no action.
:lol:

[Clocker]

:wink:

[CougTek]

I was able to find teams that we will have trouble with before we get to 50.
Among them Hogville & Docteur PC.

I'm much more worried about team Gamma than I am from the two above. The reason? We shave more than 2000 units in the advance team Hogville and DocPC had on us during the last week and a half, but we lost about 1000 units from our lead over team Gamma (they are currently around 26000). Eventually, we will pass Hogville and Docteur PC, but if we don't add another 700-800 units to our weekly production, Gamma will pass us too.

The next team that crunches faster than us up the ranking is BulgariaNetwork (they are currently 59th). Until we reach the ~50th spot, I'm only worry about team Gamma.

[Buck]

So how can we establish more crunch power? I have four full-time systems dedicated to this right now, perhaps a fifth in a week. Everything else is just sporatic when I assemble systems. Plus I can't afford more systems. :( From a business standpoint, I'd love to sell all of my systems and end up with none, then I'd be able to build new ones for me (yes me, not "me", "I", or "myself", just plain old me). :D Although, I wouldn't mind selling some system to I, me, or myself. Hah! That sounds strange... :roll:

<Buck goes back to his cup of tea>

[The JoJo]

Your next JoJo.

muhaahaha.

Dream on! ;)

Good work people! I'm sure you Pros can find a few more computers to work for us? :)

[CougTek]

I don' think the solution is to increase the crunching power of the leading members of our team. I cannot go faster, you either and Kevin & Doug are already contributing a lot. We would need at least one additional regular contributor. But it doesn't urge as we still have ~10000 units advance over Gamma. Let's say that we have around 5 or 6 weeks to recruit someone else with CPU cycles to burn.

Or maybe until I find some loose cash to change the dead motherboard or CPU that cause one of my system to sleep in a corner since a few months (but one single-processor system -even a top notch one- is only able to do 400-500 units/week, not 800).

The recent addition of Tea and Dozer was very helpful, just as the comeback of NRG=MC² and the arrival of Cliptin not long before.

[NRG = mc²]

All talk no action.


hey hey hey! OK, time to get a move on. The others in my house cant be bothered to run Genome so its just my two machines, P3-733 and XP.

I have to start "grilling" some friends now. Brwmogazos stopped from what it seems, another slacker over there :evil:

[Cliptin]

All talk no action.


hey hey hey! OK, time to get a move on. The others in my house cant be bothered to run Genome so its just my two machines, P3-733 and XP.

I have to start "grilling" some friends now. Brwmogazos stopped from what it seems, another slacker over there :evil:

NRG, The glove is thrown, the die is cast, and these boots were made for walkin'. 8)

[Tannin]

There is an XP 1700 of mine plus assorted K6-IIIs just going to waste because there is no OS/2 client. That other distributed thingie, the one looking for the encryptation breaker, that has an OS/2 client.

Sigh.

[timwhit]

You could run SETI@home on those computers.... SETI has a cliet for virtually any OS in existance...

[Tannin]

But does it actually do anything useful?

[timwhit]

No, but you could process Work Units under my name for me. (timwhit@bigfoot.com)

[Handruin]

Coug, I'm looking to build a new machine in the next month or so, and that would give us another steady income of crunch time. I leave my boxes on 24x7, so adding another Athlon XP1800 (around that speed) should help out a little bit.

The Quad Xeon is back in action for now. It hasn't stopped crunching yet, so maybe I fixed something. (yeah right) I need to keep ahead of Bartender. :mrgrn:

[Sol]

There is an XP 1700 of mine plus assorted K6-IIIs just going to waste because there is no OS/2 client. That other distributed thingie, the one looking for the encryptation breaker, that has an OS/2 client.


Maybe you could look into running the client in an emulator Tanin.

There are a couple listed here (http://www.os2world.com/emulator/computer.html) which might do the job. A quick search might turn up somthing better though.

[Sol]

Like this (http://odin.netlabs.org/)

[Mercutio]

I'm surprised there isn't at least a barebones DOS client out there. Someone being hardcore about things would no doubt get better performance in DOS than anything else, anyway.

[CougTek]

Coug, I'm looking to build a new machine in the next month or so, and that would give us another steady income of crunch time. I leave my boxes on 24x7, so adding another Athlon XP1800 (around that speed) should help out a little bit.
Thinking about it, we are fairly crazy. I'm planning to spend a few hundred dollars to revamp a dead system so that it will contribute to my Genome@home stats and you'll spend a few hundred (and hundred U$, that's even worse) too for the same purpose. Pride is expensive isn't it?

At least with the price of computer parts nowadays, building three boxes from scratch doesn't cost more than building just a single one about 5 or 6 years ago.

[Tea]

A good thought, Sol. Last time I tried Odin it was buggy as all hell, but that was a while ago and it's time I gave it another look.

[Handruin]

Coug, I'm looking to build a new machine in the next month or so, and that would give us another steady income of crunch time. I leave my boxes on 24x7, so adding another Athlon XP1800 (around that speed) should help out a little bit.
Thinking about it, we are fairly crazy. I'm planning to spend a few hundred dollars to revamp a dead system so that it will contribute to my Genome@home stats and you'll spend a few hundred (and hundred U$, that's even worse) too for the same purpose. Pride is expensive isn't it?

At least with the price of computer parts nowadays, building three boxes from scratch doesn't cost more than building just a single one about 5 or 6 years ago.

To be honest, I'm not building it for genome. But since my machines run during the day and through the night, it would get plenty of CPU time. I'm buying it so I can play games in my apartment with my girlfriend.

I know I should seek medical attention (why don't you buy a bloody playstation, Doug!) but I could come up with a 100 different reasons why it should be a computer over a consol system. Now that I've bought a smaller case, this system will be my LAN party machine since it will weight less. I'm looking into mounting a handle on the top.

I can also use it to backup data from my main rig over a small LAN. I need to put my Linksys switch to work! I would also like to set it up to do web testing on it, or on this machine. It’s a pain to have to make a small change, and then FTP it to SF to only see I screwed something up. I have to do it this way because of PHP. I don’t want IIS on my XP box, but I could load it onto my next system.

OK, I’m rambling away now.

[Buck]

Thinking about it, we are fairly crazy. I'm planning to spend a few hundred dollars to revamp a dead system so that it will contribute to my Genome@home stats and you'll spend a few hundred (and hundred U$, that's even worse) too for the same purpose. Pride is expensive isn't it?

At least with the price of computer parts nowadays, building three boxes from scratch doesn't cost more than building just a single one about 5 or 6 years ago.

Fairly crazy? How about wacked, tweaked, or some other new word for describing the unimaginably deranged and unbalanced. If we were all on the straight-and-narrow, I don’t think we’d be in the computer business. Tea would be a photographer, Tannin would be a museum curator, Coug would teach proper French at a community college, Mercutio would be nicknamed “Pimp Daddy” (if he already isn’t), the Bartender….well he’d keep his job, and Buck would be Havana Daydreamin’, or so the song goes. But no, we’re concerned with SOI; something called Clawhammer and it’s not available at your local home center; with this distributed networking stuff called Genome that nobody really knows will do us any good. For all we know, a new biological weapon is being developed. But hey, we’re building computers for it!

[Bartender]

Don't mind Buck, he's had a long and hard day. I've given him some Bakers bourbon, but that hasn't helped much. I think he really needs some sleep.

I do think that you are all crazy for staying in the computer business, tending bar is much easier, and much more enjoyable. I'm surprised that Tannin has never tended to a bar - being a night owl and all. Or maybe he has and has never shared any experiences with us.

[Tannin]

Respectively, he has and he hasn't. 1978 and '79 it I think it was, at the City Oval Hotel and then the Western Hotel, both in Ballarat. What to tell? Not a great deal.

Worked in the brewery for a while too, summer of '84 and '85. Never drank so much in my whole life!

Oh. and I was bartender there for a while: paid to serve free beer to the brewery workers at lunch and for an hour or two after knock-off, and have the odd one myself. Great job.

[CougTek]

why don't you buy a bloody playstation, Doug!
Because there's no Genome@home client for the bloody Playstation Doug!


Coug would teach proper French at a community college
With the temper I have, combined to my legendary patience, you can bet that out of a class of 30 students, no more than 7-8 would finish the year... ...alive!

[Cliptin]

why don't you buy a bloody playstation, Doug!
Because there's no Genome@home client for the bloody Playstation Doug!


Coug would teach proper French at a community college
With the temper I have, combined to my legendary patience, you can bet that out of a class of 30 students, no more than 7-8 would finish the year... ...alive!

My 7th grade english teacher used to calls us 'shrooms because "we had in the dark for so long."

[Mercutio]

There are any number of careers I would choose before pimping. For one thing, I couldn't hit a woman, and that's part of the job description (they use coathangers wrapped in towels. Leave fewer marks). Architect, some kind of low-responsibility physician (sports medicine, plastic surgery... whatever, as long as people don't die on my operating table), photographer for playboy, classical musician... or heck, owner of a classical recording label. Librarian. System administrator is probably the most realistic of my options, but I take a lot of satisfaction in fixing PCs and helping people solve problems.

Some things I wouldn't do: I couldn't be a cop. I couldn't work construction - network cabling is bad enough. I couldn't work retail. I *really* hate having to do sales at all. I wish I could skip that part of my business life, too.

[Buck]

There are any number of careers I would choose before pimping. For one thing, I couldn't hit a woman, and that's part of the job description (they use coathangers wrapped in towels. Leave fewer marks).
Ouch, didn't mean to imply you'd hit anyone.


Architect, some kind of low-responsibility physician (sports medicine, plastic surgery... whatever, as long as people don't die on my operating table), photographer for playboy, classical musician... or heck, owner of a classical recording label. Librarian. System administrator is probably the most realistic of my options, but I take a lot of satisfaction in fixing PCs and helping people solve problems.

Some things I wouldn't do: I couldn't be a cop. I couldn't work construction - network cabling is bad enough. I couldn't work retail. I *really* hate having to do sales at all. I wish I could skip that part of my business life, too.

Some respectable and self gratifying options Mercutio.

[me]

Donut master.

I still miss that thread. :wink: