Is there a way to shut up Jason for a while? [Archive]

CougTek

03-10-2002, 03:22 PM

Hi,

Like a bunch of you, I'm fed up of Jason's omnipresent (or invasion) of Storagereview forum. It's well passed the "if you don't like it, just don't read it" stage. It's not possible anymore to avoid his posts : THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!

If I want to read CNN news, I'll go at www.cnn.com, but I don't want it on SR. He used to limit his annoying omnipresence to the B&G forum, but now he is everywhere.

I sympathize with the fact that he is jobless and that he feels lonely, but my patience has its limits and now he reached it. I'm fed up, saturated, I'm done, I'm tired and I'm sick of his +20 posts/day - 7 days/week. I dream of a server with an uptime comparable to his own, but I'm starting to make nightmares about his rave of meanless messages on SR forum. I'm at the point where I only wish to tell him to shut up everytime I stumble on one of his "contributions".

Enough is enough.

Am I alone to think like that?

CougTek

03-10-2002, 03:28 PM

The post that was the last straw for me is in this thread (http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=1705) :
Damit, the stupid message:

You cannot make another post so soon after your last, please try again in a short while

Needs to go away. I can think and type much quicker than that message gives me time for...

Davin/Eugene/Whoever... Please remove the time limit between posts, you guys know I'm not a spamer, but I do type very quick and I can post more often than once per minute...
That's it. I have enough of it.

Stereodude

03-10-2002, 07:28 PM

Leave it to the French to be the rude ones. :P

Stereodude

Stereodude

03-10-2002, 07:30 PM

Seriously though... Would you rather he be a post whore over here?

Stereodude

timwhit

03-10-2002, 07:40 PM

Seriously though... Would you rather he be a post whore over here?

Stereodude

Definately not. This place is nice....no one to spam.

Mercutio

03-10-2002, 10:59 PM

Like no one here has ever sustained 20 posts a day for awhile. :P

I'm frustrated by Jason, too. It sort-of goes against my grain to trash-talk another SR member publicly, but frankly, he knows a lot of people are annoyed by his posting CNN headlines and, well, omnipresence. My read is that he's posting new topics either because he's bored and finds some amount of excitement (a la the days after Sept. 11) in the controversial opinions he expresses - I note, carefully, that Jason doesn't pick fights. Rather, he tends to present topics that encourage others to disagree. Lately, however, even the CNN posts haven't gotten a nibble. In short, SR's B&G died.

How to make him stop:

Has anyone e-mailed him and let him know that his behavior is bothersome?
How about a "We, the undersigned" petition suggesting some alternatives to his present behavior while exploring some of the consequences of his continuous posting?

By the way, Jason's current SR statistics are 1685 posts - 23.7 per day and 8.78% of the total posts on SR (In contrast, Tannin and myself probably represent a quarter of the posts on SF, with the "founders" probably making up another third, but that's with only 30 or so regulars, while Jason's volume of posts probably exceeds the bottom 90% of participants on SR's forums).

Any other ideas? Seriously?

Cliptin

03-11-2002, 12:43 AM

Privately, to myself(whoops not anymore) I refer to it as Jason's news regurgitation service.

I think a kindly worded message to Jason and CCed to webmaster@SR would be the first step. If all the annoyed people did this, the volume would be too big not to notice, if not for Jason then Eugene.

PS. While the sheer volume makes me wonder if he has any friends in the real world to talk about this stuff with; it generally doesn't bother me.

Groltz

03-11-2002, 03:14 AM

Am I alone to think like that?

Nope. You've just quoted my own feelings word-for-word. My own personal method of avoiding his posts has simply been to not visit SR any more. I know this equates to "cutting off your hand to be free of a hangnail", and probably isn't the solution for anyone else.

--Steve

Tea

03-11-2002, 05:31 AM

Hmmm .... I feel torn two ways on this.

On the one hand, that endless barrage of CNN and Fox News reposts bores me stupid and means that I don't visit SR's Bar and Grille very often anymore. I think a lot of people, like Steve and me, have voted with their feet and tend to avoid both the SR B&G and Jason's threads these days. So, yes, I agree.

On the other hand, there are two considerations. First, Jason is a nice guy. I can't remember the number of times I've crossed swords with him, often in political threads where we both have very different and very strong opinions. Sometimes the discussion has got pretty darn heated, and yet never even once has he stooped to personal abuse or insult. I can pour a bath of acid over Jason in a thread, and no matter how stupid I've tried to make him look, he responds in a civilised and decent way, and we can still share a joke immediately afterwards. He is, in other words, a true gentleman.

Second, some of his threads are excellent. Sure, he starts a lot of rubbish threads, but he starts a lot of good ones too. Here is a recent example - http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=1404 - not a thread Jason started, but notice the way his contribution kick-started an interesting and valuable discussion.

And then I log into the SR Bar and Grille and see five more of Jason's rubbish threads and change my mind again ....

Sigh.

Mercutio has a job now, so it must be Jason's turn next. After that, things will return to normal.

Mercutio

03-11-2002, 10:53 AM

Pbbbbbt.

It's not that I was looking for a job, specifically, but more that I want a steady paycheck. Something I wasn't getting. Making $2000 in four days then not working for a month isn't exactly a stable way to live (but then, Tannin probably remembers the early days of his shop).

... and yes, I probably do post nearly as frequently as Jason. Tannin/Tea is just looking for me to have less free time so his can get the highest post count again. :P

Perhaps the return of OT:Police or OT:Poletzei to smack Jason's thread would send the appropriate message as well.

CougTek

03-11-2002, 11:52 AM

Leave it to the French to be the rude ones. :P

Stereodude
First, I'm not French, I'm Québécois. You speak english, are you British?

About me being rude, well, if I don't express my opinion, no one else will. Besides, in real life, I take it as a compliment to be called "rude".

__________________________________________________ _____

I agree that Jason is probably a nice guy, but the effects of his "rubbish threads" are still there. As many of you know, I'm not very good in public relations, so I just raise the problem, hoping someone will find a solution. But I think we have to act or else things won't go better.

Mercutio

03-11-2002, 12:06 PM

Perhaps you could take up as OT:Gendarmes (is that spelled properly? Probably not. Close enough)?

I don't see anyone putting forward any better ideas. We should start crafting an e-mail.

CougTek

03-11-2002, 01:51 PM

Perhaps you could take up as OT:Gendarmes (is that spelled properly? Probably not. Close enough)?

Gendarme is spelled correctly, but the "gendarmes" only exist in "La France". Here they are called "policiers" (policemen).

Who writes the e-mail? (looking at others)

Stereodude

03-11-2002, 02:33 PM

Leave it to the French to be the rude ones. :P

StereodudeFirst, I'm not French, I'm Québécois. You speak english, are you British?

About me being rude, well, if I don't express my opinion, no one else will. Besides, in real life, I take it as a compliment to be called "rude".
Well we now know that the Québécois are rude and in addition to that are unable to take a joke. Did you miss the :P at the end of the post? Lighten up.

Stereodude

CougTek

03-11-2002, 03:36 PM

If it wasn't of the risk of draw him over here, I would simply send him an e-mail with the URL of this thread. But some might think it would be a bit rude....

Tannin

03-11-2002, 06:17 PM

It would be rude. But better than sending a petition, at least. An email from one single individual is bad enough, a petition arriving out of the blue would be quite horrible. And one should never say something as part of a group that one is not willing to say as a single individual. This is a basic matter of interegrity and moral courage.

Posting in public might be better, if it's desired to do anything at all, rather than just wait until Jason gets a job and the matter blows over all by itself.

And what does Eugene think about it? It's his website, after all.

CougTek

03-11-2002, 09:03 PM

I wouldn't mind to post a thread on SR to ask Jason to slow down for the good of everyone, but I would need other members to show that they agree about my complain. Or else it won't have any effect else than open a flame between me an Jason.

I don't know what Eugene thinks about it. I suspect he doesn't mind since he did nothing so far (AFAIK). Maybe if he would receive several complains from his senior members, he would let us know what's his position regarding Jason "CNN" Knight.

CougTek

03-11-2002, 09:08 PM

(...) a petition arriving out of the blue would be quite horrible (...)
Yeah, that would be sadistic and cruel....

Who's in? ;-)

flagreen

03-11-2002, 09:59 PM

Careful guys, he's well armed. :)

Cliptin

03-11-2002, 11:22 PM

Tannin, Did you just take my post and change the words around to make me look smart? :lol:

James

03-12-2002, 01:07 AM

http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=1822

James

03-12-2002, 01:12 AM

I suggest some e-mails to him first, then a forum posting. It's the most polite way to proceed.

I'll send him an e-mail now. Anyone else?

James

03-12-2002, 01:26 AM

... of course, in order for me to e-mail him, I need a valid e-mail address. Anyone have one? I suspect he doesn't read jehh1234@hotmail.com.

CougTek

03-12-2002, 01:28 AM

Thank you James. It's nice from you to volunteer like that.

I don't have the touch with people so I don't think an e-mail from me would be very effective.

Bartender

03-12-2002, 01:30 AM

This table sure is busy. I guess I don't get around enough to see that Jason is a problem.

Anyone need a drink before they confront him?

CougTek

03-12-2002, 01:31 AM

He should read it, it's his MSN messenger address.

I can always send him a word via Messenger to tell him to look at his hotmail account.

Santilli

03-12-2002, 02:52 AM

Guys:
Storage review can provide a great crutch, in bad times, by being able to post quite a bit, and, have all of you as unpaid shrinks, and, a great support group.

Besides, after all the lame, stupid idiots we had posting there, perhaps he will drive a few of them of the map, or, at least, provide intresting topics.

Let time solve the problem...
Please

He's way to nice a guy to bang with a petition, or something like that.

Besides, Tannin, and myself, along with Eric, should all know how valuable being able to post a lot can be...

gs

timwhit

03-12-2002, 03:25 AM

I kinda agree with Santilli on this one. Jason can be very helpful. But on the other hand he can be a bit much at times. I think that he has gotten the hint from a few members asking him to subside with the news postings. It's not like they are all crap though, some of the news posts are quite interesting.

I agree that a petition is a bad idea, make the hints subtle. He will get the picture eventually.

Tannin

03-12-2002, 03:59 AM

Listen to Greg.

James

03-12-2002, 06:33 AM

If Jason wants help with things, he should post to that effect (or e-mail someone). I don't see how cluttering up SR with news postings is theraputic.

Mercutio

03-12-2002, 06:50 AM

Greg. Tannin: Are you suggesting that there's thereputic value in Jason posting his CNN topics or more-than-once-a-minute two-line replies to every other topic on SR? 'Cause I don't see it.

The commonality between Tannin, Santillii (and I'll include myself as well) is that we post about our personal lives and past experiences. Usually in long, long posts. Eric, on the other hand, made 6200 posts, of which maybe a few dozen were OT prior to the introduction of the Bar and Grille.

Neither of these types fits Jason's mold, which is, in reality, to post all the time, to every thread in Bar and Grille (and, on rarer days, to the Computing forum as well), with little regard for the content of his posts (the "more than once a minute" syndrome... maybe if someone made the comment that the length of time one spends in posting should be more like the time one spends, um, with a woman or something)..

Incidently, an e-mail address Jason does read is jehh_at_vzavenue.net, although he never responded to the last e-mail I sent him there. I'll also say that I feel very badly that I have corresponded with Jason since the formation of this site without revealing its existence to him; shaken of his Headline News posting and poor spelling, he's been an decent member of SR (does anyone remember k-tech prior to 9/11 and the B&G? Totally different person).

Tannin

03-12-2002, 07:06 AM

Jason knows all about Storage Forum. He was one of the 18 or so people I included in my original mail-out in early January, and between the four or five mails I sent and the various replies and discussions arising, he would have had at least a dozen different ones. He didn't reply to any of them, and eventually I took his name off the list. (Not that this is actually relevant to anything.)

Mercutio

03-12-2002, 11:09 AM

Respectfully, Tannin, those e-mails were kind-of a mess. I don't think I ever got more than half of them.

Was anything mailed to Jason after the formal creation of Storageforum?

Handruin

03-12-2002, 01:20 PM

Respectfully, Tannin, those e-mails were kind-of a mess. I don't think I ever got more than half of them.

Was anything mailed to Jason after the formal creation of Storageforum?

Funny enough, this was the exact reason why I created a forum in the first place. I was having a hard time following the e-mail chain.

Tannin

03-12-2002, 06:15 PM

Emailing 15 different ways is always a mess. But the reason you never got half of them, Mercutio, is that your ISP's brainless mail server kept spitting them back at me. :-? (I probably still have the "I don't like this host" messages somewhere.) There were never any error messages from Jason's mailbox. He had the opportunity if he wanted it.

But yes Doug, the forum was much better.

James

03-12-2002, 10:38 PM

I still reckon a polite e-mail is in order. I feel there's a world of difference between venting about personal problems and having an opinion (and then posting) on everything.

Like I said elsewhere, at the moment any posting on SR effectively becomes a conversation with Jason.

Mercutio

03-12-2002, 11:04 PM

Emailing 15 different ways is always a mess. But the reason you never got half of them, Mercutio, is that your ISP's brainless mail server kept spitting them back at me

My email service provider is just picky about its friends. Evidently, Aussies who send messages to 20 peopel at a time don't qualify. :P

If it makes you feel better, most of the messages between Clipton and myself don't get where they're going either

Santilli

03-13-2002, 03:22 AM

:lol:

Tannin

03-13-2002, 03:21 PM

4800 posts wasn't a lot! Now, 5000+, that was excessive. :wink:

Cliptin

03-13-2002, 11:29 PM

[quote="Mercutio
If it makes you feel better, most of the messages between Clipton and myself don't get where they're going either[/quote]

Tweeeet! Grammer police (insert the funny sound that european police cars make.na ner, na ner, na ner): Incorrect usage of the word "myself".
The phrase should be "me and Cliptin". Oh and THE NAME IS CLIPTIN. This incorrect usage of "myself" was made popular by democratic politicianstrying to sound potificatious. No matter how hard Sesame Street tried to combate it, the big hand was too much. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Tannin

03-14-2002, 01:36 AM

If we are going to be correct, it should be "Cliptin and me" - courtesy demands that the speaker put himself last.

Or am I supposed to say CLIPTIN in all caps now?
:wink:

Santilli

03-14-2002, 01:43 AM

:mrgrn:

Cliptin

03-14-2002, 11:56 AM

Bah. I should have known I would step of my high horse into horse doo.

jtr1962

03-19-2002, 02:12 AM

I'm not sure if any kind of petition would be a good idea. Jason is starting his new job today, so hopefully the problem will go away on it's own. I do agree that it is becoming a distraction, and Jason's posts keep popping up like New York cockroaches.

I consider this whole thing a mixed bag. On the one hand, at least I know somebody will read and respond to my posts, and Jason does occasionally start interesting discussions amid all the rubbish threads. Jason also happens to be a very nice guy who never stoops to the level of personal insult, and he might just be going through a difficult time in his life now. I'm still not not quite sure how posting about everything is therapeutic, however, especially when most of the posts are mispelled, ill-thought out, and devoid of much personal information.

On the other hand, nearly every post ends up as a conversation with Jason, and sometimes with Jason only since his omnipresence has undoubtably scared away many people who don't have the time to dispute their points all day and night long. This has kept me from perhaps starting new topics since I would like a fairly wide audience of opinions. Last I checked, on the first page of the B&G Jason started 37 topics, and the next highest was supercaffeinated at 9. Eugene might as well change the name of the forum to Jason's Pub or something similar.

I can only hope that this too will pass before too many more regulars are scared away. For what it's worth, I really feel Jason should get some sort of hobby. Nobody should be bored because they're out of work, especially someone as intelligent as Jason. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten carpal tunnel syndrome yet.

BTW, everyone here should consider themselves lucky that they don't live with a person who often never shuts up, as I must. He happens to be my father, and since New York real estate is expensive, I'm stuck with him and my mother for the time being. At least I can have an intelligent conversation with my mother. :) Most of my father's "conversations" consist of talking about the Yankees or repeating what he read in the newpaper, and he's way less intelligent than Jason. He doesn't spell any better, either.

CougTek

03-19-2002, 11:24 AM

I'm surprised he hasn't gotten carpal tunnel syndrome yet.

What's that?

Tannin

03-19-2002, 11:30 AM

RSI.

An overuse injury to the tendons in your fingers. (It made me laugh too.)

Prof.Wizard

03-19-2002, 12:06 PM

RSI.

An overuse injury to the tendons in your fingers. (It made me laugh too.)
It's actually in the carpal area, not the fingers... It encompasses nerves, blood vessels, tendons, and ligaments. And it aches... :-?

Prof.Wizard

03-19-2002, 12:09 PM

Oh, and to post on-topic... I'm sick of Jason's news posts... They are lame. Cut and paste and nothing else. :evil:

Pradeep

03-19-2002, 05:23 PM

I think this thread is in bad taste, I know I would be pissed if I read something like this about me.

timwhit

03-19-2002, 06:02 PM

There are lots of other things that would be worse to read than this. And it is obviously a hot topic, judging by the number or responses. Starting a thread similar to this has occured to me several times in the past, CougTek just went a did it. Good for him.

adriel

04-26-2002, 03:21 AM

How are things now over there?

timwhit

04-26-2002, 03:45 AM

Seems better now. Although the B&G seems to have died.

With his new helicopter training he doesn't have quite as much time to post on SR.

adriel

04-26-2002, 04:19 AM

I'm guessing he is working for the news now, flying helicopters to spot traffic accidents? If he works for the news, I can't blame him for his enthusiasm in wanting to report the news.

timwhit

04-26-2002, 04:21 AM

No he is just training to get his license still....go read his post on it. It's actually not that bad.

Handruin

04-26-2002, 07:35 PM

I'm guessing he is working for the news now, flying helicopters to spot traffic accidents? If he works for the news, I can't blame him for his enthusiasm in wanting to report the news.

:mrgrn:

flagreen

04-26-2002, 11:38 PM

Q - Is there a way to shut up Jason for a while?

A - No. :eekers:

James

05-10-2002, 02:13 AM

This (http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=3142) I thought was pretty disgusting.

James

05-10-2002, 02:14 AM

BTW Bill, my avatar kicks your avatar's butt. :mrgrn:

Tannin

05-10-2002, 04:27 AM

I read it as just a light-hearted remark, James. But then, without tone of voice and so on, it can be hard to tell sometimes.

CougTek

05-10-2002, 10:35 AM

I try to avoid participating and sometimes even reading threads where Jason participates. Of course, that means that my choices at SR are very limited since he is everywhere.

And to top that, he dares to tell us that he has a life and that he has so many posts just because he types and read so much faster than us. Mooseshit! His flying lessons were supposed to free us from his insignificant presence for a while, but he only seems to post even more since then. Warnings from myself and from others (JamesW, did you sent him that e-mail?) were vain, he continues to clutter SR's forum as much as before if not more.

An open letter to Eugene explaining our unhappiness about the situation and signed by all those who are annoyed by Jason's omnipresence would perhaps be a good idea at that point.

His mother should have teached him that when he has nothing worthy to say, he should shut up. There would be at least 2950 less meanless posts on SR's forum like that.

Tea

05-10-2002, 11:32 AM

Let he who is without sin among us cast the first stone.

Mercutio

05-10-2002, 11:51 AM

<thwip> *CRASH*

Whoops. I slipped.

Stereodude

05-10-2002, 12:58 PM

I suppose he now knows where I stand on the issue. "But he has a life."

Stereodude

time

05-11-2002, 02:53 AM

It's hardly surprising he doesn't like the idea of a moderator.

The latest variation is him protesting his innocence in every second post. I wish he'd shut up. Those that believe in him don't need the reinforcement he seems determined to give, and those that don't are likely to think even less of him. Repentance? Moi?

Tannin

05-11-2002, 05:38 AM

Actually, he did propose a moderator. One Tannin by name. :oops:

Cliptin

05-11-2002, 09:11 AM

I got a little worked up here (http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=3143&highlight=). Maybe I was too subtle.

CougTek

05-11-2002, 10:08 AM

I got a little worked up here (http://forums.storagereview.net/viewtopic.php?t=3143&highlight=). Maybe I was too subtle.
How about mine?

Handruin

05-11-2002, 11:38 AM

All I have to say is this is not Jason's month. I doubt he is going to feel like a welcome member in their community any longer.

Platform

05-11-2002, 11:59 AM

. .
Ewwww....!

I have not visited Storage Review since maybe March or so. The place seems thoroughly ghetto-ised.

. .

Tea

05-11-2002, 12:03 PM

Hasn't got the class it used to have, that's for sure. Nevertheless, it's my second-most visited web site still. I seem to go through phases with SR. Sometimes (like just now) I read and post there quite a lot. Other times I'll go a week or so and hardly visit.

Platform

05-11-2002, 01:00 PM

. .
Hasn't got the class it used to have, that's for sure. Nevertheless, it's my second-most visited web site still. I seem to go through phases with SR. Sometimes (like just now) I read and post there quite a lot. Other times I'll go a week or so and hardly visit.

Well, I may go back for a peek at the SR discussion forum in maybe... oh... 6 months.

I recall visiting a couple of other discussion fora "out there" a couple of years ago -- one being Anand's (I believe it's called) and another that I can't recall the name of at the moment -- and becoming a bit queasy after 5 minutes of perusing through the uh, er, discussions going on there. I can't imagine people willing to devote such large blocks of time to frivolity and ostentatious behaviour, but then again who the hell am I other than a robot with a full schedule somewhere else besides the internet???

. .

Stereodude

05-11-2002, 05:57 PM

How about mine?
I don't think he'll get it.

Stereodude

Bartender

05-11-2002, 10:55 PM

James

05-12-2002, 11:03 PM

I don't read the B&G at SR anymore - the S/N ratio is just too high. Jason has a lot to do with that, but it's not only him. Now that we have enough data to see how eg. The Giver operates (bait and switch the argument, demand unreasonable proof, taunt, drag the discussion into accusations of racism, etc.) there's a lot of people with whom it's just not worth engaging in conversation with. They may feel that they're challenging some sort of nebulous status quo or close-minded elite, but actually all they're doing is airing their own predjudices. (Of course, no one is immune from prejudice, but at least you can have a rational conversation.)

Coug, I did send the e-mail. Toned down considerably, but still I sent it. No response.

timwhit

05-13-2002, 05:33 AM

I tried to send Jason an e-mail and he says that he never got it. Maybe that is why he never replied?

I wish SR would turn on PMs it would make life easier.

How much bandwidth can PMs actually use? Doug, can you get bandwidth statistics on PMs?

Mercutio

05-13-2002, 01:12 PM

There's an email address I know Jason actually reads upwards in this thread. It's something like jehh@vzavenue.net. Or something like that.
I think it's his personal, ISP-provided address.

jtr1962

05-14-2002, 08:20 PM

I don't read the B&G at SR anymore - the S/N ratio is just too high.

I know what you mean, although you might want to check it out from time to time just in case something of interest pops up. Jason's pirates thread had some very interesting side discussions, such as the one between him and Tannin about the American versus the European airline industries.

I've noticed this in other threads as well. Even though the subject may not be of interest to me, or there might be too many trolls, there are occasionally some interesting posts. Just thought I'd let you know. :)

You're right also that Jason is not the only PITA there, even though everyone is singling him out due to his omnipresence. Apparently his new job hasn't slowed him down any. :(